Why Do Physicists Use Grids & Time?

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The discussion explores the use of grids in physics, particularly in relation to spatial dimensions and the concept of time. Participants question the necessity of grids for visualizing complex phenomena like black holes and the nature of time as a construct versus a fundamental aspect of reality.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why physicists use grids in spatial representations, suggesting that movement in multiple directions should negate the need for such structures.
  • Others argue that time, although a human-created standard for measurement, exists independently and is essential for predicting outcomes.
  • One participant notes that illustrations of black holes utilize grids, prompting inquiries about their purpose beyond visual enhancement.
  • Another participant suggests that black holes are inherently four-dimensional, with time and space components being interchangeable, which complicates human understanding.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of four-dimensional existence, where participants describe the interplay of spatial dimensions and time, particularly in the context of black holes and relativistic effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of grids in physics and the nature of time, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on interpretations of dimensionality and the role of time in physics, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes assumptions about human perception and the representation of complex physical concepts.

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Part One
Why do physicists use grids with space if, we can go up, down, left, right, sideways, and so on?

Part Two
Why is time, used if "man" created it in physics?
 
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vidgmaetester said:
Part One
Why do physicists use grids with space if, we can go up, down, left, right, sideways, and so on?

Could you please elaborate on this, I am not too sure about what you mean.

vidgmaetester said:
Part Two
Why is time, used if "man" created it in physics?

Because we made a standard to measure time. Time would exist without mankind. That standard helps us measure other things, like rates and hence helps us predict outcomes.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Could you please elaborate on this, I am not too sure about what you mean.

I mean in illustrations of a black hole it's a grid, why is that? (other then a visual enhancer so the user can see)
 
I agree with the Freakish Rockster. Time is just Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once. We humans have chosen to record its passing based upon increments found in Nature. A year is a solar cycle; a month is a lunar cycle (and another cycle that anyone with a girlfriend or wife would prefer to ignore); a day is a planetary cycle... hours, minutes, seconds all derive from those.
 
vidgmaetester said:
I mean in illustrations of a black hole it's a grid, why is that? (other then a visual enhancer so the user can see)

Sorry, dude... you posted this while I was composing my previous entry. It is impossible for a human being to envision a black hole. The closest that we can get is a mathematical construction (model). We are four-dimensional beings, in that we have three dimensions of physical existence and one dimension of temporal placement. A black hole is also four-dimensional, but carries it to the point where the time component is interchangeable with the spatial ones.
 
Danger said:
Sorry, dude... you posted this while I was composing my previous entry. It is impossible for a human being to envision a black hole. The closest that we can get is a mathematical construction (model). We are four-dimensional beings, in that we have three dimensions of physical existence and one dimension of temporal placement. A black hole is also four-dimensional, but carries it to the point where the time component is interchangeable with the spatial ones.

Can you explain how a black hole is four dimensions, and what is four dimensional?
 
vidgmaetester said:
Can you explain how a black hole is four dimensions, and what is four dimensional?

I'm no expert, but I'll give it a shot. Everything in our normal experience is 4D. It has length, width and height, which are the normal physical dimensions. It also has a prolonged existence, measured in units of time, the spot within which it resides constituting the 4th dimension. Of course, the latter is constantly changing. You can travel in any direction physically, but only forward temporally. A black hole sort of reverses that situation. You can physically travel only inward, but your temporal existence is variable. Relativistic time dilation due to the intense gravity starts playing hob with things. It's all rather over my head.
 

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