Why do Spherical Non-Oscillating Bubbles Dissolve in Saturated Liquids?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of spherical non-oscillating bubbles in saturated liquids, specifically addressing why these bubbles tend to dissolve despite pressure balance. Participants explore concepts such as gas diffusion, surface tension, and the conditions under which bubbles may grow or collapse.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that bubbles dissolve due to gas diffusion, questioning whether equilibrium conditions can prevent this dissolution.
  • Others argue that in a container, bubbles rise due to being lighter than the liquid, which may contribute to their eventual disappearance.
  • A participant references a source discussing the role of surface tension in maintaining pressure equilibrium, suggesting that this contributes to bubble dissolution.
  • There is a question about the nature of the gas forming the bubbles, whether it is steam or air, which may influence the discussion.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between oscillation and bubble stability, particularly in the context of rectified diffusion.
  • One participant emphasizes that the pressure inside the bubble is higher than the partial pressure in the solution due to surface tension, leading to gas diffusion out of the bubble.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for bubble dissolution, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining about the influence of oscillation, gas type, and pressure dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the conditions under which bubbles dissolve, including the definitions of saturation and the specific gases involved. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of rectified diffusion and the role of oscillation in bubble stability.

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Spherical non-oscillating bubbles in a saturated liquid always tend to dissove, why?

If the pressure is already balanced, why the bubbles dissolve?

Is it due to the diffusion of gas? If all things are in balance, will bubbles still dissolve?

Thanks for help.
 
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If we are talking about a container such as a coca cola bottle, the bubbles disappear because they are lighter than the solution, thus they travel upwards and the air in the bubble eventually meets the air above the liquid.

Even if the container is so full of liquid that the only air inside is one bubble, it will travel to the top.
 
Ronald_Ku said:
Spherical non-oscillating bubbles in a saturated liquid always tend to dissove, why?

If the pressure is already balanced, why the bubbles dissolve?

Is it due to the diffusion of gas? If all things are in balance, will bubbles still dissolve?

Thanks for help.
Whether the bubbles grow or dissolve depends on the concentration of the dissolved gas, external pressure, and bubble size. If all these things are in balance, the bubbles will not dissolve.
 
I 'm now studying sonoluminescence.
The book is written by Ronald Young(2005).
In the part of rectified diffusion in chapter 1, it is said that


" The surface tension segma of th eliquid will always cause a pressure 2segma/R that adds to the partial gas pressure inside the bubble in pressure equilibrium. Consequently, spherical non-oscillating bubbles in a saturated liquid under pressure p0 will always tend to dissolve."

I wonder why spherical non-oscillating bubbles in a saturated liquid under pressure p0 will always tend to dissolve. That means why oscillating can make a bubble stable, but once without oscillating, the bubble dissolve.

According to your ideas, if things are in balance, although the bubbles are not oscillating, they will not dissolve.

Thanks for help.
 
Since we are talking about a saturated fluid, are the bubbles in your case supposed to be formed out of steam or out of air?
 
Ronald_Ku said:
Spherical non-oscillating bubbles in a saturated liquid always tend to dissove, why?

If the pressure is already balanced, why the bubbles dissolve?

Is it due to the diffusion of gas? If all things are in balance, will bubbles still dissolve?

Thanks for help.

If the liquid is saturated the pressure inside the bubble is higher then the partial at the solution due to the surface tension. gas will defuse out of the bubble and the bubble will collapse.

You can read about it here:
http://www.deepocean.net/deepocean/index.php?science04.php
 
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That means the reason for a bubble dissolves does not depend on whether it is oscillating?
That's something about rectified diffusion?
 
GT1 said:
If the liquid is saturated the pressure inside the bubble is higher then the partial at the solution due to the surface tension. gas will defuse out of the bubble and the bubble will collapse.

You can read about it here:
http://www.deepocean.net/deepocean/index.php?science04.php


I'm very sorry that I cannot find your understandings in the article.
Could you state more clearly where i can find them?
 
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