Why Do Truss Problem Distances Seem Incorrect?

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to truss distances in a statics context. Participants express confusion about specific distances in a truss diagram and seek clarification on how these distances are derived, particularly focusing on proportionality and basic mathematical skills necessary for solving such problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) questions the source of specific distances in a truss problem, specifically asking about the vertical distances from the support to point E and from E to D.
  • One participant provides a proportionality argument to explain how the distance from the support to E is calculated as 2/3 m, using the total vertical distance and horizontal distances as a basis for the proportion.
  • The OP acknowledges the explanation and expresses a desire to find resources to improve their understanding of foundational skills like trigonometry and proportions, which they feel are necessary for physics problem-solving.
  • Another participant critiques the OP's background knowledge, suggesting that they should have learned these skills in high school and questioning their preparedness for a statics course.
  • The OP responds to the critique, explaining their educational background and the gap in their studies, emphasizing the need for refreshers on basic mathematical concepts.
  • A later reply suggests that helpers may not know the OP's educational history and emphasizes the importance of foundational knowledge in tackling physics problems, recommending various online resources for mathematics study.

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There is no consensus on the OP's preparedness for the course or the necessity of prior knowledge. Participants express differing views on the importance of foundational skills and the OP's educational background, leading to a somewhat contested discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the OP's mathematical background and the potential need for a refresher course, but does not resolve the underlying issues related to educational preparedness or the adequacy of the OP's current understanding.

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Ok, I have everything done for this problem... I just don't understand how they got some of the distances! Just look at the uploaded images...

- Where did 2/3 m come from? (The vertical distance from the support to E)
- Where did 1 m come from? (The vertical distance from E to D)

I calculated different distances, like D - E = 1.67 m using rules of 3 or proportionality.

I'm sure it's something simple but I just can't see it...

Thanks in advance
 

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You've got to review simple proportions.

Lookit: the vertical distance from the support to E
The total vertical distance from A to G is 1 m
The vertical distance from A to E is x m.
The horizontal distance from A to G is 6 m
The horizontal distance from A to E is 4 m

Writing our proportion, x/4 = 1/6
solving, x = 4/6 = 2/3 m

All other distances can be solved in a similar fashion.
 
Great, I see it now... I have been practicing them actually.

Do you know about any possible source where I can read more about these little "skills" needed for Physics problem solving? (trigonometry stuff, proportions, etc...).

It's not something that you explicitly find in some book, but I really need to improve that aspect since it has given me lots of trouble, and it's annoying because I do understand the actual physics material (in this case, Statics).

Thanks!
 
You should have studied these subjects in high school. In fact, I am rather puzzled that you are taking statics in what should be an honors high school physics course or basic college course in statics without having studied algebra or trigonometry.
 
There's no need to be condescending or puzzled about me... I just asked kindly for your help my friend. All I'm saying is that I would like to refresh that stuff and if there's a source that focuses on it, that'd be awesome.

Just for the record... after high school I did something else with my life (no, I was not a hippie, I became a commercial pilot and did that for 4 years) and now I'm at university and all this stuff got very rusty. I did study algebra and trig on high school (10 years ago) but probably it was not at a good level for this Statics course.

You'd be surprised with how many people that just finished high school struggle with "basic" stuff.

ANYWAY... I'd appreciate the help if you can provide it, all I'm looking for is learn more.
Thanks again for the help with the problem.

Cheers
 
No disrespect was intended, but consider things from the helper's point of view. When someone posts a problem, the helper knows nothing about the OP's background or educational history unless the OP chooses to share. Oftentimes, an OP is trying to self-teach a subject and may not have covered subjects in his self-study which would normally have been encountered in school. The lack of adequate academic grounding may contribute to all or part of the difficulty the OP has with solving a particular problem.

Now, in your case, since you have been out of school for an extended period and are trying to reenter academic study, a fairly extensive refresher course of study may be required. For the subjects of geometry and trigonometry, there are many sites online which can provide the basics or more advanced study in these and other areas of mathematics. I have found the math articles in Wikipedia to give a concentrated treatment of their subjects. By searching the web for other math sites, you will undoubtedly find others which may give you the right level of help.

Paul's Online Math Notes has good articles for algebra, trig, and calculus, but is noticeably lacking in covering topics in plane geometry. TheMathPage I think can make up for what Paul's lacks in basic math.
HTH.
 

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