1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data We are given this frame and asked to find the forces at C, D, E and F. Distance from D to E is 16 feet. Distance from C to D is 8 feet; distance from E to F is also 8 feet. Distance from A to D is 6 feet; distance from D to G also 6 feet. 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution We first look at the entire frame, and take the moment about G. This gives us Hy as 150; Gy must be -150 to balance the Y forces. This agrees with the book's answer. Sum of x forces: Gx plus the 200LB force=0, so Gx = -200. Hx, because it is a roller, must be 0. This agrees with the book too. OK. So far so good. Now, why can't we make 2 immediate assumptions: 1) Assume Ax and Ay both are zero, since A is just sitting there with no forces on it. 2) Both C and F should be zero, since they are 2-member elbows with no external forces; aren't CD and EF classic examples of zero-force members? I see that CG and HF are 2-force members under influence of G and H, respectively, but again this seems to directly contradict what we learned, when we looked at trusses, about how to spot zero-force members. Thank you in advance for any help!