Why do we use a gradient in centrifugation?

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The discussion revolves around the use of a gradient of cesium chloride (CsCl) in centrifugation, specifically addressing the formation of density gradients and their role in separating components based on density. Participants explore the mechanisms behind gradient formation and the implications for density separation in a centrifuge.

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  • One participant questions the purpose of the CsCl gradient, suggesting that it should accumulate at the density of the molecule being analyzed.
  • Another participant clarifies that a homogeneous solution of CsCl is used, which forms a gradient naturally under high centrifugal forces, facilitating separation based on density.
  • Several participants express confusion about why a gradient forms, questioning whether all CsCl molecules should settle according to their density even before centrifugation.
  • A participant points out that while CsCl is denser than water, its behavior in a homogeneous solution and the effects of mixing are complex, leading to further inquiries about the dynamics at play.
  • One participant explains that gravity is not the only force acting on the molecules, highlighting the significance of intermolecular forces and thermal fluctuations in the context of high gravitational forces during centrifugation.

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Participants express differing views on the formation and role of the CsCl gradient, with no consensus reached on the underlying mechanisms or the implications for centrifugation.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of CsCl in solution, the effects of gravity versus other forces, and the conditions under which the gradient forms, which remain unresolved.

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Why do we use a gradient of ions(Caesium chloride )in centrifugation, I expect if we add in a test tube the molecule that we want to know its density and a gradient of caesium chloride, that the caesium chloride will accumulate in the region that corresponds to its density so as our molecule what is the purpose of this gradient ???
 
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We don’t put in a gradient of CsCl; we put in a homogeneous solution of CsCl and subject it to ~100 000 g, and the gradient forms naturally. This happens to be convenient for us if we want to separate a mixture based on density, as the different density components of the mixture are buoyant at different locations in the centrifuge tube.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
We don’t put in a gradient of CsCl; we put in a homogeneous solution of CsCl and subject it to ~100 000 g, and the gradient forms naturally. This happens to be convenient for us if we want to separate a mixture based on density, as the different density components of the mixture are buoyant at different locations in the centrifuge tube.
why would a gradient form, shouldn't all molecules of CsCl assume the location corresponding to their density, and why would it be more convenient to have a gradient in centrifugation?
 
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why would a gradient form, shouldn't all molecules of CsCl assume the location corresponding to their density,
Why don’t all molecules of CsCl assume the location corresponding to their density even before you centrifuge the mixture? CsCl is far more dense than water; shouldn’t all the CsCl sink to the bottom? What else do you think could be going on?
 
TeethWhitener said:
Why don’t all molecules of CsCl assume the location corresponding to their density even before you centrifuge the mixture? CsCl is far more dense than water; shouldn’t all the CsCl sink to the bottom? What else do you think could be going on?
you previously said "We put in a homogeneous solution of CsCl" , which suggests that the concentration of CsCl is the same anywhere in the solution, well if CsCl is way denser than water, you can continuously mix the solution so that it stays homogeneous
 
The point I’m trying to nudge you towards is that if gravity were the only force acting on the molecules, then yes, all the CsCl would immediately sink to the bottom of the vessel, regardless of how weak that gravity is. However, gravity is not the only force at work. Intermolecular and ionic forces, along with thermal fluctuations, are orders of magnitude larger than the gravitational force at 1g. However, at ~100 000 g, the gravitational force is strong enough to begin separating the CsCl from the water by density, at least a little bit. This is what gives you the gradient in density gradient ultracentrifugation.
 
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