Why does a black body radiate in all the frequency spectrum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between a black body's ability to absorb and emit radiation across all frequencies. It explores the implications of thermodynamic equilibrium and entropy in this context, as well as the fundamental principles governing emission and absorption processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a black body, by definition, absorbs all frequencies, but question why this also implies it radiates at all frequencies.
  • Others inquire whether there is any expectation that a black body would not radiate at certain frequencies.
  • One participant explains that a black body in thermodynamic equilibrium radiates at all frequencies due to the state of maximal entropy, though this is contingent on being in equilibrium.
  • A participant seeks clarification on why maximal entropy leads to radiation at all frequencies, indicating a lack of background in thermodynamics.
  • Another participant suggests that entropy can be understood as the number of possible states, with more states available if all frequencies are allowed.
  • It is proposed that emission and absorption are reverse processes governed by the principle of detailed balance, implying that if an object can emit at a frequency, it must also be able to absorb at that frequency to comply with thermodynamic laws.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where an object emits at a single wavelength but cannot absorb at that wavelength, leading to a contradiction with thermodynamic principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the connection between absorption and emission in black bodies, with some points of clarification offered but no consensus reached on the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about thermodynamic concepts, indicating a potential limitation in understanding the implications of entropy and equilibrium in relation to black body radiation.

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I understand why a black body absorbs every frequency(it is the definition of a black body!) but i do not understand why it also radiates at all frequency spectrum.
 
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Is there a reason to expect it would not radiate at certain frequencies?
 
DaveC426913 said:
Is there a reason to expect it would not radiate at certain frequencies?
Hello. No, but my question is why radiating at all frequencies means also absorbing at all frequencies and vice versa. Why does the one mean the other?
 
According to Wiki:
An approximate realization of a black surface is a hole in the wall of a large enclosure. Any light entering the hole is reflected indefinitely or absorbed inside and is unlikely to re-emerge, making the hole a nearly perfect absorber.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body#Cavity_with_a_hole

For the same reasons, it would also be a nearly perfect emitter.
 
Adam Landos said:
I understand why a black body absorbs every frequency(it is the definition of a black body!) but i do not understand why it also radiates at all frequency spectrum.
The correct statement is that black body in thermodynamic equilibrium radiates at all frequencies. In principle, a black body might not be in a thermodynamic equilibrium, in which case it might not radiate at all frequencies.

If you want to ask why thermodynamic equilibrium implies radiation at all frequencies, it is because thermodynamic equilibrium, by definition, is a state with maximal entropy.
 
Demystifier said:
The correct statement is that black body in thermodynamic equilibrium radiates at all frequencies. In principle, a black body might not be in a thermodynamic equilibrium, in which case it might not radiate at all frequencies.

If you want to ask why thermodynamic equilibrium implies radiation at all frequencies, it is because thermodynamic equilibrium, by definition, is a state with maximal entropy.
About your last statement, why having maximal entropy means radiating in all frequencies?(i have not taken a course on thermodynamics). Thank you for the answer by the way
 
Adam Landos said:
About your last statement, why having maximal entropy means radiating in all frequencies?(i have not taken a course on thermodynamics). Thank you for the answer by the way
Entropy can be thought of as the number of different possible states. Clearly, there are more possible states if all frequencies are allowed than if only some of them are allowed.
 
Emission and absorption of photons are both reverse reactions to each other. They are pretty much the same thing, just reversed in time. Any time you have one, you have the other. This is governed by the thermodynamic principle of detailed balance.

Consider an object behind some kind of hypothetical cavity box that only allowed a single wavelength of light through. If the object could emit at that wavelength but could not absorb at that frequency, the object would eventually emit all its energy away to the surroundings, even until the object is colder than the surroundings. This is not allowed by thermodynamics. So the object must also absorb at that same wavelength.
 

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