Why Can a Bullet Penetrate an Object Despite Constant Velocity?

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The discussion centers around the mechanics of a bullet penetrating an object, particularly addressing the relationship between force, velocity, and penetration. Participants explore concepts related to momentum, energy, and the effects of deceleration during impact.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a bullet does not maintain a constant velocity, as it decelerates rapidly upon impact with an object.
  • Others clarify that while a bullet may travel at a constant velocity in a vacuum, the interaction with air introduces retarding forces that affect its motion.
  • It is noted that a bullet's ability to penetrate is not solely due to its velocity but also involves the deceleration experienced during the collision, which generates forces that can deform the bullet.
  • One participant provides a mathematical example to illustrate how force can be calculated based on changes in momentum during impact, emphasizing the role of deceleration in the penetration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a bullet does not travel at a constant velocity during penetration, but there are differing interpretations regarding the implications of this deceleration and the role of external forces such as air resistance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions of the bullet's motion (e.g., in a vacuum versus in air) are not fully explored, and the mathematical example provided relies on specific values that may not apply universally.

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If F=ma, why does a bullet that's going a constant velocity, have enough force to penetrate an object?
 
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It doesn't go at a constant velocity. A bullet decelerates very rapidly.
 
oneamp said:
If F=ma, why does a bullet that's going a constant velocity, have enough force to penetrate an object?
A moving bullet doesn't have 'force', it has momentum and energy. Under the right conditions, that energy may be sufficient to allow the bullet to penetrate an object. During the collision, forces are generated that slow down and deform the bullet.

[STRIKE]And as DaleSpam stated, [/STRIKE]a bullet doesn't move with constant velocity. The air exerts a retarding force on it.
 
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Thanks...
 
Doc Al said:
And as DaleSpam stated, a bullet doesn't move with constant velocity. The air exerts a retarding force on it.
I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant. I'm pretty sure that he meant that in the case being described by the OP - when the bullet hits something - it isn't going at a constant velocity, it is decelerating very rapidly, which involves a very large force.

...We've gotten almost this exact question several times in the past few days...
 
You could look at the bullet's behavior in a vacuum, in which case there would be no air friction. Then it would travel at a constant velocity, and when it hit something, some sort of impulse would occur, which involves forces over some period of time that change the momentum of both the bullet and whatever it's hitting, but conserve the total momentum.

This is exactly what's happening in the air, too. It's traveling through a "vacuum" of space, that also happens to be filled with air molecules. So when the bullet runs into those molecules, the interaction I described above happens. Sorry if that just sounds like rambling, but I figured another take on it might help you glean some more insight!

And if your question is specifically about how a thing moving at a constant velocity can deliver a force, then it's like the posters above were saying: when the bullet makes contact with anything else, it does accelerate (changes velocity) and that acceleration is the one in the F=ma equation, not its lack of acceleration BEFORE the impact. The bullet has no "force" if it isn't interacting with something. Hope that helps a bit!
 
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russ_watters said:
I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant. I'm pretty sure that he meant that in the case being described by the OP - when the bullet hits something - it isn't going at a constant velocity, it is decelerating very rapidly, which involves a very large force.

...We've gotten almost this exact question several times in the past few days...
Ah, OK. I was wondering, since I would not have said that a bullet decellerates rapidly through the air. :rolleyes:
 
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oneamp said:
If F=ma, why does a bullet that's going a constant velocity, have enough force to penetrate an object?

It penetrates not due to its velocity but by the deceleration provided by the body into which it penetrates. hence by action reaction force is exerted and the bullet penetrates

hope this helps.
if there is need of further comprehension please feel free to reply.

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GANESH PRASAD
 
Mathematically,
##F=\frac{mv-mu}{t}##
For example,if a bullet(0.2kg) had an initial velocity of 500m/s and it stopped after 0.5 sec,then:
##F=\frac{0.2*0-0.2*500}{0.5}=-200N##
So the wall applied 200N on the bullet and the bullet also applied 200N.
minus sign (-) indicates the force is opposite to the direction of motion.
 

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