Why does a charged capacitor provide current to a circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of charged capacitors in circuits, specifically addressing why a charged capacitor can provide current to a resistor despite the external electric field being considered negligible in many calculations. The conversation explores conceptual doubts regarding electric fields, potential differences, and the nature of real versus ideal capacitors.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind current flow through a resistor connected to a charged capacitor, given that the external electric field is often considered negligible.
  • Another participant agrees, stating that the external field cannot be exactly zero and emphasizes that a potential difference across the capacitor leads to an electric field in the connecting wire, which drives the current.
  • A third participant humorously notes the impracticality of constructing an ideal infinite-plate capacitor, highlighting the physical limitations of such a model.
  • Further discussion includes a participant's inquiry about the relationship between the potential difference across the capacitor and the integral of the electric field along an external path, questioning if the external field must be strong near the plates to account for the potential difference.
  • Responses clarify that the external field is negligible compared to the internal field due to the longer path along external field lines, suggesting a relationship between capacitance and plate separation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the external electric field of a capacitor cannot be exactly zero and that it plays a role in current flow. However, there is ongoing discussion about the implications of this field and the nature of real versus ideal capacitors, indicating that multiple views remain on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the idealization of capacitors, particularly regarding the assumptions about electric fields and potential differences. The discussion reflects the complexities involved in understanding the behavior of capacitors in practical scenarios.

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I have a conceptual doubt concerning capacitors.

Suppose that I connect the terminals of a resistor to a charged capacitor, so that current will flow through the resistor.

Usually, in calculations involving capacitors, the electric field outside the capacitor is taken to be zero, because it is negligible (even though in a real parallel-plate capacitor, the external electric field is not zero, because the plates are not infinite).

My doubt is: if the external electric field of the capacitor is negligible, why does the capacitor cause current to flow through the resistor?

I guess that, if the external electric field of the capacitor was exactly zero, then no current would flow through the resistor, even though the capacitor is charged. Is this reasoning correct?
 
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Yes, you are correct. The external field cannot be exactly zero. It is only exactly zero for a capacitor with infinite plates. For a real capacitor, keep in mind that the integral of electric field along any path gives you a potential difference. So if you have a potential difference across a capacitor, wire leading around a capacitor will certainly have electric field in it. That's the source of electromotive force resulting in the current.
 
Also note that there is no way to construct a circuit with an ideal, infinite-plate capacitor. How would the connecting wire get from one side to the other? :rolleyes:
 
K^2 said:
Yes, you are correct. The external field cannot be exactly zero. It is only exactly zero for a capacitor with infinite plates. For a real capacitor, keep in mind that the integral of electric field along any path gives you a potential difference. So if you have a potential difference across a capacitor, wire leading around a capacitor will certainly have electric field in it. That's the source of electromotive force resulting in the current.
Thank you for the complete explanation.

I have one more question about the external electric field of a capacitor: Let the potential difference across the plates of the capacitor be V. So, if we calculate the integral of the electric field along a path outside the capacitor from one plate to the other, we must also get (in absolute value) V, is this correct?

Since the electric field outside the capacitor is taken to be negligible in most calculations, does it mean that the external electric field very near each plate of the capacitor must be very strong, in order for the integral of the electric field along the external path to sum up to V?
 
The external field is negligible only as compared to internal field. And that has to do with the fact that path along external field line is much greater than path along internal field lines.
 
K^2 said:
The external field is negligible only as compared to internal field. And that has to do with the fact that path along external field line is much greater than path along internal field lines.

OK, I get it. This is because, for a capacitor with a relatively large capacitance, the plate separation is taken to be small. Right?
 

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