Why does a Moebius strip twist unevenly along its length?

In summary: I don't know if one can give a general answer here. I also don't know if there's a general expression for the shape of the center-line when you have bending and torsion in the same object.In summary, the conversation discusses the uneven distribution of twist in knitted Moebius strips and other physical situations. The researchers were surprised to find that the twist is localized in certain areas rather than evenly distributed along the strip. The conversation also raises the question of whether a regular twist is possible in non-rigid materials. The conversation also references an image of a symmetric Moebius strip of constant twist and discusses the shape of the center-line when there is both bending and torsion in an object.
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A recent article in Smithsonian magazine about knitting geometric forms stimulated the following question:
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In the above, knitted Moebius strip, there are areas where the material is twisted (seen in front) and areas where the material is flatter/less twisted (seen in back). So far as I can tell, the same is always true for Moebius strips made from twisted paper. (The knitted form shown also has a kink in it, which a paper form will normally not have.)

This localization of the twist has also been found to occur in (both real and theoretically constructed) Moebius strips made of benzine or other chained molecules, which took the researchers investigating this phenomenon by surprise.

This raises for me the following questions:

1) Why, in all these physical situations, is the twist not evenly distributed along the strip?
2) Is a regular twist possible to achieve in any non-rigid material? (I specify non-rigid because it seems that one could cast such a thing in bronze or concrete, 3-D print such a form, or even construct one of superconducting materials...although even most such forms seem to have regions of greater and regions of lesser twist)
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You cannot link to images in your google mail. How are we supposed to see them without logging into your google account.
 
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If you follow a letter around it twists about its path at a constant rate. Notice the distortion of the text is maximum on the right hand side. Paper does not like to distort like that.

The above from, https://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/5783/rotating-an-image-along-a-möbius-strip

Which is from, https://www.google.com/search?safe=......1c.1.64.img..1.0.0...0.ulBGYlNPQfM#imgrc=_

The image Harlan wanted to post?

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Image at, https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/what-knitting-can-teach-you-about-math-180969637/
 

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Harlan said:
1) Why, in all these physical situations, is the twist not evenly distributed along the strip?
The shape will depend on how easy the initial straight strip bends one way (roll) vs. how easy it bends the other way (curve in plane with edges stretching).

See for example:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10659-014-9495-0
 
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Using the knitted version as a model, consider this. The same situations apply to the others but it's easier to see with the knitted one.

  • Cut the knitted strip vertically, thru the Blue, Red and Gray stripes.
  • Lay the resulting strip flat on the table.
  • Now curl the ends around to meet; so it looks like a flattened donut.
You will find that the inner circumference will buckle into ripples, it will not lay flat. That's because the inner and outer edges are the same length but with the inner circumference being smaller that the outer circumference, the extra material has to go somewhere.

The same thing happens with the Mobius strip. It just turns out that the lowest energy configuration is for the 'extra material' on the edges to exchange places so that there is only one ripple. In fact, even the 'donut' may have only one ripple in it (you could flatten it though so there are many small ripples).

Cheers,
Tom

EDIT: Looks like @A.T. found the complete version while I got interrupted during the short version. :frown:
 
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Regading your second question:
Harlan said:
2) Is a regular twist possible to achieve in any non-rigid material?
I assume you mean sarting with a staight strip, then bending it to connect the ends with twist? If you vary the stiffness parameters for the different bending directions along the strip, then it should be possible to get constant twist rate and a circular center-line, like in the animation text animation above.

But whether achieving this with a constant combination of stiffness parameters is also possible, that's harder to say. Intuitively, when you make the loop from a rod with a circular cross section, then there should be a combination of bending stiffness (same in all directions) and torsional stiffness, that results in that shape. Maybe you just need high torsional stiffness.
 

1. What is a Moebius strip?

A Moebius strip is a mathematical concept that represents a surface with only one side and one edge. It is created by taking a long strip of paper, giving it a half twist, and then connecting the ends together to form a loop.

2. Why does a Moebius strip twist unevenly along its length?

A Moebius strip twists unevenly along its length because of its unique topological properties. When you trace along the surface of a Moebius strip, you will eventually end up on the other side, which creates the uneven twisting effect.

3. Can a Moebius strip be made with more than one twist?

Yes, a Moebius strip can be made with more than one twist. The number of twists will determine the number of edges and sides on the surface. For example, a Moebius strip with two twists will have two edges and two sides.

4. What are some real-life applications of a Moebius strip?

Moebius strips have many real-life applications, including conveyor belts, computer storage devices, and electrical circuits. They are also used in art and design, as the unique twisting effect can create interesting visual effects.

5. How does a Moebius strip challenge our understanding of geometry?

A Moebius strip challenges our understanding of geometry by defying traditional concepts of surfaces and edges. It also introduces the idea of non-orientable surfaces, which cannot be properly colored or labeled with numbers. The concept of a Moebius strip also raises questions about the nature of infinity and how we perceive and interpret space.

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