Why Does Angular Diameter Distance Decrease After Redshift z=1.5?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of angular diameter distance in relation to redshift, specifically why it decreases after a redshift of approximately z = 1.5. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to cosmology and the expansion of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the angular diameter distance decreases after a certain redshift because the universe was much smaller at that time.
  • One participant explains that the angular diameter of an object is determined by its size when the light was emitted, and that pure expansion does not change angles, suggesting that light rays are stretched rather than altered in their angular spread.
  • Another participant notes that the angular size distance is based on the angular diameter of a standard ruler, and since the angle spread of incoming light does not change, the angular size distance equals the distance of the object when the light was emitted, which is smaller than the present-day distance by a factor of z+1.
  • An example is provided regarding the cosmic microwave background (CMB), indicating that the matter emitting the CMB was much closer when the light was emitted, illustrating the relationship between redshift and distance.

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Participants express similar views regarding the relationship between angular diameter distance and redshift, but the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive consensus on all aspects of the explanation.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of light propagation and the effects of cosmic expansion, which may not be fully resolved or universally accepted among all participants.

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Hi,
Can anyone explain (physically) why the angular diameter distance starts to decrease after a certain redshift (around z = 1.5)? Thanks
 
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semiserious said:
Hi,
Can anyone explain (physically) why the angular diameter distance starts to decrease after a certain redshift (around z = 1.5)? Thanks
Simply put: our universe was much smaller back then.
 
semiserious said:
Hi,
Can anyone explain (physically) why the angular diameter distance starts to decrease after a certain redshift (around z = 1.5)? Thanks

Chalnoth said:
Simply put: our universe was much smaller back then.

Semi, you got your answer! Chalnoth put it concisely.

One thing you could concentrate on understanding is this: the angular diameter of something is the angular diameter it had when the light was emitted and started on its way to us.

Because pure expansion does not change angles. If you think diagrammatically, the lightrays are not spread apart or squinched together by expansion. They are just stretched out longer.

But the angular-size distance is just based on the angular diameter of some standard ruler (like a 100 thousand lightyear galaxy), and since the angle spread of the incoming light does not change
the angular size distance equals the distance of the object when the light was emitted.

And that is smaller than the presentday distance by a factor of z+1.
 
semiserious said:
Hi,
Can anyone explain (physically) why the angular diameter distance starts to decrease after a certain redshift (around z = 1.5)? Thanks

Chalnoth said:
Simply put: our universe was much smaller back then.

Semi, you got your answer! Chalnoth put it concisely.

One thing you could concentrate on understanding is this: the angular diameter of something is the angular diameter it had when the light was emitted and started on its way to us.

Because pure expansion does not change angles. If you think diagrammatically, the lightrays are not spread apart or squinched together by expansion. They are just stretched out longer.

But the angular-size distance is just based on the angular diameter of some standard ruler (like a 100 thousand lightyear galaxy), and since the angle spread of the incoming light does not change
the angular size distance equals the instantaneous proper distance to the object measured on the day when the light was emitted.

And that is smaller than the presentday distance by a factor of z+1.

So think about this example: the matter that emitted the CMB which we are now detecting is now about 45 billion LY from us. But the redshift of that ancient light is z = 1090. So the distances have increased by a factor of z+1 = 1091. Not to be too fussy, distances have increased by a factor of 1100.

So when the light was emitted, that matter was only about 41 million LY from our matter! When the ancient light was emitted, the matter was much much closer
 

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