Why Does Light Form a Cone When Refracted in a Swimming Pool?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light when refracted in a swimming pool, specifically focusing on the formation of a cone of light. Participants explore the implications of Snell's law and the concept of angles related to refraction and total internal reflection.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the initial assumptions about light bending and forming a cone, questioning the connection to Snell's law and the angles involved. There are suggestions to draw diagrams to visualize the situation and analyze the angles of incidence and refraction.

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Guidance has been offered regarding the need for diagrams to clarify the angles involved in the refraction process. Some participants are exploring the critical angle and total internal reflection, while others are still uncertain about how to approach the problem.

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There is a mention of homework guidelines that emphasize the need for attempts at solutions, and participants are encouraged to provide sketches to aid in understanding the problem.

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Homework Statement
You are several meters under water (η = 1.33), swimming in a pool, and look skywards. Light from outside the pool will form a cone. Describe why and compute the
angle of the cone.
Relevant Equations
snell's law
The first sketch is what I assumed would happen, where the light beams bends. And the second is meant to depict the light forming a cone, which I don't understand.

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Thanks for the reply I edited my question, however I'm not sure where to start with a solution.
 
joelkato1605 said:
The first sketch is what I assumed would happen, where the light beams bends. And the second is meant to depict the light forming a cone, which I don't understand.
:cool: What do they look like ? Snell has to do with angles. Which angles in the picture ?
 
BvU said:
:cool: What do they look like ? Snell has to do with angles. Which angles in the picture ?
The refractive index of air is 1, so 1*sin( theta initial)=1.33*sin(theta cone) then maybe assume theta inital =90?

I'm not really sure but that is all I can think of.
 
Draw a picture with an eye below the surface of the water.

Draw a ray of light from air to the eye, passing through the water. Draw another ray at a different angle of incidence. And another. And another.

What happens as you change the angle of incidence of the ray?

Look up "total internal reflection" - at what angle does it occur?

What happens when you get total internal reflection?
 
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We have a picture :cool: !

Any description of what it represents ? Ah, yes:
joelkato1605 said:
The first sketch is what I assumed would happen, where the light beams bends. And the second is meant to depict the light forming a cone, which I don't understand.
Forget the second picture -- nobody understands it.

In the top picture, where are the angles we encounter in Snell's law ?

Now follow Frodo's advice
 
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So is it just the critical angle:
arcsin(1/1.33)?
 
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You have part of the answer. I miss
Describe why and compute the angle of the cone.
 
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Your diagram is not very good for doing an analysis. Where is the eye you were asked to put in? It's all about angles - how can you measure angles in your diagram?

Perhaps some was my error as, when I said draw a picture, I should have said draw a diagram.

You should have drawn a diagram like below where you are looking at a cross section through the experiment - it is a 2-dimensional diagram. Solve the problem in 2-D before generalising your solution to 3-D. Using the diagram:

1. Draw a ray of light going from B to the eye. Label the angle of incidence and the angle of refraction. To do that you will need to draw in the normal.

2. Draw a ray of light going from C to the eye. Label the angle of incidence and the angle of refraction.

3. Draw a ray of light going from D to the eye. Label the angle of incidence and the angle of refraction.

What do you notice is happening as the angle of incidence of the ray increases from B to C to D?

When you thoroughly understand what is happening in the diagram, think about what happens in 3-D.

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