What is the relationship between current and voltage in an inductive load?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between current and voltage in an inductive load, specifically involving an ideal inductor with a given inductance and peak voltage. The original poster seeks to understand the current at a specific time after connecting the inductor to an AC source.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the phase relationship between current and voltage in inductive circuits, questioning the necessity of the phase constant in calculations. They explore different interpretations of the problem statement and the implications of time references in AC circuits.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and expressing confusion about the use of phase constants. Some have provided insights into the assumptions made in the problem, while others are seeking clarification on how to approach the problem correctly.

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There is uncertainty regarding the specifics of the problem setup, including whether the question implies a particular time reference for the current waveform. Participants note that assumptions about the starting point of the sinewave may affect the interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement



An ideal inductor L = 88 mH is connected to a source whose peak potential difference is 65 V.

If the frequency is 90 Hz, what is the current at 5 ms?

Homework Equations



il= Il(ωt-ø) and Il = Vl / Xl

The Attempt at a Solution



So I did get the answer right, by chance. I would like to understand... Why does the definition of an inductive load specifies that its current is lagging behind the voltage of the inductor but to get the right answer, I didn't minus my angular frequency and the phase constant.
 
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The problem seems inadequately specified.

Maybe the arrangement has a switch which applies the sinusoid when it's at some particular level, OR

maybe the question asks for the instantaneous value of the current 5ms after its peak?

What is the "correct" answer? How did you work out your answer?
 
Sorry if I didn't explain it well. As a start, the statement is copy pasted from my online assignment so there was no changed to it.

However, how I worked it out was by chance, I forgot to minus the phase constant ( where ø= pi/2)
because the sin function of the current from an inductor lags behind the velocity by 90 degrees, therefore it is ωt-ø to get the phase of the current from the inductor no? ( i don't know if this made sense). I mean this is what I get from my book. :/
 
Yes, the current lags the sinusoidal voltage by 90°. What answer did you give that was considered right?
 
First I used this formula:

il = Il sin (ωt-ø) which always gave me 1.306 when replacing Il by V/Xl


However, the right answer was obtained by using


il = Il sin (ωt) which confuses me to no end because then, when do I use the phase constant? I thought it was always part of the formula and the concept of the ac circuit.
 
MarcL said:
First I used this formula:

il = Il sin (ωt-ø) which always gave me 1.306 when replacing

Il by V/Xl
Yes, that gives the peak value of the current. Because the circuit is nothing more than pure inductance, you also can say that this current sinewave is 90° behind the voltage sinewave.

However, the right answer was obtained by using

il = Il sin (ωt) which confuses me to no end because then, when do I use the phase constant? I thought it was always part of the formula and the concept of the ac circuit.
It sounds like an assumption is being made that time=0 will be when the current sinewave passes through zero. That would make ɸ=0.

I'm still waiting to hear what answer you gave for the current at 5ms. We can then work backwards to determine what the question should have been. http://physicsforums.bernhardtmediall.netdna-cdn.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
 
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.403576 A was the answer.

It is kinda scary to think some assumptions were made without mentioning them because my final is coming up and this is our last assignment...

But yeah, let's see where I went wrong / question went wrong. :)
 
Yes, they are taking the origin as the start of the current's sinewave waveform, 1.306sin(2π90t)

They are side-stepping the phase difference between voltage and current by using the current waveform as the reference. That makes things easier! :smile:
 
wait, how did you know that? because they skipped the waveform? how do we know that from reading the question?
 
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wait, how did you know that? because they skipped the waveform? how do we know that from reading the question?
That's what is needed to get their answer.
 

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