Why Does Mass M Move at u/cosθ in a Pulley System?

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The problem involves a pulley system where two ends of an inextensible string move downwards with uniform speed, and the upward motion of a mass M is being analyzed. Participants are discussing the relationship between the speeds of the strings and the mass, particularly focusing on the velocity of mass M in relation to the angle θ.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are examining the velocity components of the strings and questioning how these relate to the upward speed of mass M. There is discussion about the trigonometric relationships involved and the implications of the strings not moving transversally.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the geometry of the problem and the behavior of the strings, while others express confusion about the assumptions made regarding the motion of the strings and the resulting calculations. There is acknowledgment of the correct answer, but questions remain about the reasoning leading to that conclusion.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the strings' motion and the angles involved, as well as the limits of the model when approaching certain angles. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the underlying physics without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Homework Statement



In the arrangement as shown in the figure below, the ends P and Q of an inextensible string move downwards with uniform speed u. Pulleys A and B are fixed. Mass M moves upward with a speed:

a. 2ucosθ
b. u/cosθ
c. 2u/cosθ
d. ucosθ

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None, I am not sure whether it falls under general physics or homework section. [/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



The strings move with velocity u in their respective directions , thus block will move with velocity 2ucosθ. Since each of the two strings has velocity in vertical direction as ucosθ .

But the answer says it is u/cosθ . Which seems right as when you take components of this total velocity of block M in directions of strings, it gives components as u, but those 2 components don't add up to 2ucosθ. What is the mistake here ? Why are they not adding up to ucosθ?

Thank you for all the support and help.
 
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The strings are not moving along their transversal direction. They are getting shorter at a given rate. Based on trigonometry, you can find how much shorter the strings become when the mass moves up a certain distance.
 
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The point where the strings meet moves upward at the unknown speed v. What must be the component of this velocity in a direction parallel to one of the sloping strings?
 
A small correction to the problem the final answer is u/cosθ. It's very weird.

I din't get how it not being transversal effects this relation, clearly. If I suppose manage to stop time, after recording the instantaneous speeds of both the strings(Since they are at the same angle and move with the same velocity, I will assume it to be u). They both will move with u in their respective directions, and their vertical components will add up, and result in 2ucosθ. And also, if I take the angle approaching 90. The final answer yields in the velocity of it going upward with a velocity tending to infinity, which is not true. And at 90, it should be zero in reality, which the equation I got perfectly relates whereas the answer yields it as infinity, which by any standards is wrong.
 
With your assumptions, the strings would be moving apart, which does not happen. I suggest you follow the steps proposed in my earlier post. When the strings are near horizontal, a small change in the string length will result in a large change in the height. This is why the result goes to infinity.
 
It yielded me the right answer, sir u/cosθ. Thank you.
It was just a doubt in my mind why my assumption failed over there. I understood it now.
 

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