Taking the components of a system containing multiple vectors

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the motion of a mass connected to a string passing over pulleys, with specific focus on the relationship between the velocities of different components of the system. The subject area includes kinematics and vector analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the velocities of the mass and the ends of the string, questioning the validity of different methods for resolving vector components. There are attempts to clarify the roles of vertical and horizontal components of velocity in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the motion of the string and the mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of vector components, but there is no clear consensus on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion arising from the diagrams used in the problem, as well as the implications of the string's length remaining constant throughout the motion. There are also references to the need for careful consideration of the geometry involved in the setup.

  • #31
kuruman said:
Please show me your work step by step as I outlined them. First step, how did you rewrite the equation
##d(h^2)=d(x_1^2)+d(c^2)##?
## \frac{d(h^2)}{dt} = \frac{d(x_1^2)}{dt} + \frac{d(c^2)}{dt} ##
##2h(v_h) = 2x_1(u)## (using chain rule)
##\frac{u}{v_h} = \frac{h}{x_1} ##
Using trig,
## \frac{h}{x_1} = \frac{1}{cosθ} ##
##∴ v_h = u(cosθ) ##
Now, ##v_h## is the velocity along the inclined.

After this what should i do? Which triangle should i use? Please help.

Thanks.
 
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  • #32
Kaushik said:
the string that is connected to the block is also moving with velocity u.
Each point of the string along the section from block to pulley is getting closer to the pulley at rate u. That is, of its total velocity, the component towards the pulley is u.

Each point also has a tangential component, i.e. it has some rotation about the point of contact with the pulley. The further from the pulley the greater this component.
At the point where the string touches the block, the overall velocity, v, is vertical. It therefore has a velocity v cos(θ) towards the pulley (=u) and a tangential velocity v sin(θ)=u tan(θ).
 
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