Why Does My Equation Suggest e^(πi) Equals Zero?

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The discussion centers around the equation involving the exponential function and complex numbers, specifically the expression e^{\pi i} and its implications. Participants explore the apparent contradiction that arises when manipulating this equation, questioning the validity of the steps taken to conclude that e^{\pi i} equals zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if e^{\pi i} = -1, then manipulating the equation leads to the conclusion that e^{\pi i} = 0.
  • Another participant points out that the transition from (e^{\pi i} + 1)e^{\pi i} = 0 to e^{\pi i} = 0 involves dividing by zero, which is problematic.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the zero product property, questioning whether both factors can be zero and clarifying that knowing e^{\pi i} + 1 = 0 does not provide information about e^{\pi i} itself.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the steps taken to derive e^{\pi i} = 0. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the mathematical manipulations involved.

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Participants highlight potential misunderstandings related to the zero product property and the implications of dividing by expressions that could equal zero. The discussion remains focused on the mathematical reasoning without resolving the contradictions presented.

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if e^{\pi\imath}=-1 then:

-e^{\pi\imath}=1 and,

e^{2\pi\imath}=1

then:

-e^{\pi\imath}=e^{2\pi\imath}

\rightarrow e^{2\pi\imath}+e^{\pi\imath}=0

\rightarrow (e^{\pi\imath})^2+e^{\pi\imath}=0

\rightarrow (e^{\pi\imath}+1)e^{\pi\imath}=0

then:

e^{\pi\imath}=0

and

e^{\pi\imath}+1=0

Can somebody explain this contradiction to me?
 
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From the very first line you wrote:
e^{\pi i} + 1 = 0
You divided by zero when you went from
(e^{\pi i} + 1)e^{\pi i} = 0
to
e^{\pi i} = 0
 
I thought if ab=0 then you could have two solutions a = 0 and b = 0?
 
jason17349 said:
I thought if ab=0 then you could have two solutions a = 0 and b = 0?

Think again. For what values of x is 0\cdot x = 0 true?
 
Whoops, sorry :blushing:
 
jason17349 said:
I thought if ab=0 then you could have two solutions a = 0 and b = 0?

You're thinking of something like if ab=0, then either a=0 or b=0. However, in this case, you know that e^{\pi\imath}+1=0, and so (e^{\pi\imath}+1)e^{\pi\imath}=0 tells us nothing about e^{\pi i}
 

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