Why does oil stick to steel better than water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of why oil adheres to steel better than water, particularly in the context of separation techniques in the oil industry. Participants explore concepts related to surface tension, adhesion, and interfacial energy, seeking to understand the underlying mechanisms at play.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the difference in adhesion between oil and steel compared to water and steel is due to surface tension, noting that oil has a lower surface tension than water.
  • Others argue that the interfacial energy between oil and steel is less than that between water and steel, which allows oil to displace water more effectively.
  • A participant mentions that the energy required to create contact between oil and steel is less than that required for water and steel, implying a preference for oil in terms of adhesion.
  • Some participants express a desire for a molecular-level description of wetting, indicating that such a description is currently lacking.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used, with one participant suggesting that "interfacial energy" is a more appropriate term than "surface tension" when discussing fluid-solid interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of surface tension and interfacial energy in the adhesion of oil to steel compared to water, but there are nuances in terminology and understanding of the concepts involved. Some points remain contested, particularly regarding the precise definitions and implications of surface tension versus interfacial energy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the molecular-level mechanisms of wetting and adhesion, and participants acknowledge the complexity of these interactions without providing definitive explanations.

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Hullo,
I'm new here, so I'm not really sure where to post, but i supposed my question would come under physical chemistry. I am writing an essay on separation techniques in the oil industry, and I came across this machine:

http://www.oliveoilsource.com/scripts/dictionary.asp?p_do=item&p_id=45

I was wondering if anyone could tell me why oil sticks to steel better than water?

Having asked this question in another, less specialised forum, I understand that it is caused by surface tension, But I still don't understand HOW it is caused by surface tension.
 
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jimRH9 said:
Hullo,
I'm new here, so I'm not really sure where to post, but i supposed my question would come under physical chemistry. I am writing an essay on separation techniques in the oil industry, and I came across this machine:

http://www.oliveoilsource.com/scripts/dictionary.asp?p_do=item&p_id=45

I was wondering if anyone could tell me why oil sticks to steel better than water?

Having asked this question in another, less specialised forum, I understand that it is caused by surface tension, But I still don't understand HOW it is caused by surface tension.

Essentially because oil have a less surface tension than water: paraffin oil 48 mN/m, water 72 mN/m (at 25°C)
http://www.kayelaby.npl.co.uk/general_physics/2_2/2_2_5.html
 
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I understand surface tension. I don't understand how it makes the oil stick to the steel.
 
That's the reason- the interfacial energy between oil and steel is less than water and steel, so oil will displace water- the energy required to create a unit area of contact between oil and steel is less than the energy required to create a unit area of water and steel.

If you are asking for a molecular-level description of wetting, well... there isn't one yet.
 
jimRH9 said:
I understand surface tension. I don't understand how it makes the oil stick to the steel.
Oil stick to the steel for the same reason water do: Adhesion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhesion

The balancing between the two different forces adhesion and surface tension determines how much the fluid will stick to the surface.
P.S. In your first post I assumed you know what is adhesion.
 
Andy Resnick said:
That's the reason- the interfacial energy between oil and steel is less than water and steel, so oil will displace water- the energy required to create a unit area of contact between oil and steel is less than the energy required to create a unit area of water and steel.

If you are asking for a molecular-level description of wetting, well... there isn't one yet.

OK, so My description of the machine's mechanism will probably be something along the lines of: Oil adheres better to the metal, due to it's lower surface tension. A lower surface tension means it requires less energy to adhere to the surface of the metal, compared to water. the lower energy situation is favoured, therefore only oil wets the surface of the metal.

thoughts?
 
jimRH9 said:
OK, so My description of the machine's mechanism will probably be something along the lines of: Oil adheres better to the metal, due to it's lower surface tension. A lower surface tension means it requires less energy to adhere to the surface of the metal, compared to water. the lower energy situation is favoured, therefore only oil wets the surface of the metal.

thoughts?
Got it!
 
I agree, with one small quibble. The term "surface tension" is taken to mean the interfacial energy between a fluid and a vacuum (or at least the liquid and vapor phase of the same liquid). The term "interfacial energy" is a better term to use, since it encompasses fluid-fluid, fluid-solid, and 'surface' interfaces.

Likewise, it's "wets" rather and "adheres".

Either way, you understand the concept.
 
Thanks folks!
 

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