Why Does Smaller Pipe Diameter Reduce Equivalent Length in Elbows?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between pipe diameter and the equivalent length of 90-degree elbows in piping systems. Participants explore how smaller diameters may result in shorter equivalent lengths and the implications for friction and flow characteristics. The conversation includes empirical observations and seeks to understand the underlying principles governing these phenomena.

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  • One participant questions why smaller diameter elbows appear to have shorter equivalent lengths, suggesting a potential relationship with friction.
  • Another participant proposes that larger diameters result in more flow hitting the wall of the elbow, leading to increased mixing, and notes that the findings are largely based on empirical data.
  • A participant mentions a specific claim regarding a 2.5" diameter elbow being equivalent to 1.6" of straight pipe, seeking clarification on how this equivalence is derived.
  • Further, a participant provides an empirical example stating that a 90-degree elbow for 2.5" pipe is equivalent to 9.3 feet of straight pipe, illustrating how to calculate total equivalent lengths in a piping system.

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Participants express varying views on the relationship between pipe diameter and equivalent length, with no consensus reached on the reasons behind the observed phenomena. The discussion remains open to interpretation and further exploration.

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Participants reference empirical data and specific examples but do not provide a unified theoretical framework. The discussion includes assumptions about flow characteristics and the effects of diameter on friction, which are not fully resolved.

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can someone explain to me why it seems that the smaller the diameter of pipe bend (i.e. 90 degree elbow = 30D) the shorter its equivalent length becomes? for 1.5" diameter = 45" equivalent length while 2" diameter = 60" length. does this mean 1.5" diameter 90 degree elbow has less friction than the 2"? does not make much sense to me

thanks
 
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Larger pipe diameters have more flow going through it which hit the "wall" created by the 90. There is more mixing.
There are many reasons, and the fact is a lot of it is empirical data.

It has a bit to do with the amount of flow going around the bend that is laminar and the amount that is turbulent.
 
i have read somewhere on the net that a 2.5" diameter of 90 degree elbow have equivalent flow of 1.6" straight pipe of same length as the bend.

any way to figure out how the statement above is derived?
 
This is generally an empirical study. In carbon steel piping, a normal 90 elbow of 2.5" pipe is equivalent to 9.3 ft of straight pipe.

So if you have 40ft of pipe, then a 90, then 40 ft. You have an "equivalent length" of 40+40+9.3, or 89.3 ft of pipe. You use this along with the friction factor of the pipe material to determine the pressure drop.

Here is a website that shows you some Leq's (equivalent lengths) based on the steel pipe's nominal diameter:http://www.delftaerospace.org/en/organisation/departments-and-chairs/space-engineering/space-systems-engineering/expertise-areas/space-propulsion/design-of-elements/feed-systems/feed-systems-b/ is one that shows you the Leq/D so you can multiply the number by the pipe diameter (in feet) and get the equivalent length

Here Is a site that kind of shows you the math involved
 
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