Why do snowflakes form unique shapes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the formation of snowflakes, specifically exploring why snow takes the shape of flakes rather than frozen raindrops. Participants delve into the molecular and atomic processes involved in snowflake formation, examining the conditions that lead to their unique structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the molecular processes that lead to the formation of snowflakes instead of frozen raindrops.
  • Another participant explains that snow originates from a mixture of supercooled water droplets and ice crystals in clouds, rather than from rain, and describes the growth process of ice crystals influenced by temperature and humidity.
  • A participant highlights that the unique shapes of snowflakes arise from microlevel variations in temperature and humidity as the flakes travel through the air, suggesting that each flake's formation is influenced by its individual path and conditions.
  • One participant introduces the concept of symmetry breaking, noting that the exact reasons for the unique shapes of snowflakes are not fully understood but may relate to the molecular structure of water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas regarding the formation of snowflakes, with some agreeing on the influence of environmental conditions while others introduce different concepts like symmetry breaking. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mechanisms and reasons behind the unique shapes of snowflakes.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors such as temperature, humidity, and microlevel variations, but do not fully resolve how these factors interact or the implications of symmetry breaking on snowflake formation.

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I'm not sure if this is the right forum to put it in if not please move it. But anyway I wanted to ask why snow forms flakes instead of like frozen rain drops when it snows. On a molecular or atomic level what is going on with the atoms and water molecules to turn frozen water into snowflakes.
 
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Snow doesn't come in the form of frozen raindrops because it was never rain in the first place.

During the winter in temperate climates, there are no raindrops in the clouds. Instead, a cloud contains a mixture of supercooled water droplets and ice crystals. The droplets evaporate more quickly than the crystals sublime, so over time water vapor evaporates from the droplets and is deposited onto the ice crystals. This causes the crystals to grow. The exact shape of the crystal depends on the temperature and humidity in which the growth occurs, but in general respects the hexagonal crystal structure of ice. The crystals can also stick together or stick to water droplets (which freeze when they contact the crystals). Eventually they become too heavy to be supported by the updrafts in the cloud and fall as snowflakes.

If the temperature near the ground is above freezing, the snow will then melt to form rain. Of course, once a snowflake melts, it loses its crystalline shape and becomes just a blob.

Sometimes frozen raindrops do fall (called "sleet" in the US and Canada and "ice pellets" elsewhere). This happens when snow melts into rain on the way down and then refreezes in a cold layer near the ground. This results in frozen blobs shaped roughly like raindrops, just as you would expect.
 
Huh. That's really interesting. Thanks a lot for the good answer.
 
eigenperson said:
The exact shape of the crystal depends on the temperature and humidity in which the growth occurs...

This is the part responsible for the idea that all snowflakes are different. The formation is occurring at the micro level, and the conditions of temperature, humidity, and a few others are also varying at the microlevel as the flake makes its path through the air.

These microlevel variations in the conditions of the air, and the building of the flake structure influenced by these microlevel variables along its path through the air, and the sense that each individual flake takes a unique path through the air to the ground... all results in a unique history of construction of each the flake, each moment of which is in response to the very micro-local conditions, and which history of conditions (the particular sequence of these variations) will be different for each flake path to the ground.
 
It's because of a process called symmetry breaking and technically it's not exactly known why snowflakes form as they do but it's probably related to the molecular structure of water:

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