Why Does the Cosine Term Disappear in the Lorentz Force Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around the Lorentz force and the mathematical treatment of the dot product involving velocity vectors. Participants are examining why a cosine term appears to be omitted in a specific calculation related to the work done by magnetic fields on moving particles.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the treatment of the dot product in the context of the Lorentz force, questioning the absence of the cosine term in the equation. Other participants are addressing potential typographical errors and discussing the implications of the dot product in relation to kinetic energy.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the mathematical steps involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the dot product, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the cosine term.

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Participants are working with specific assumptions about the properties of magnetic fields and their effects on moving charges, as well as the mathematical representation of these concepts. There are indications of confusion regarding the validity of certain expressions and the interpretation of vector operations.

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It is known that magnetic fields do no work at a moving particle, all they can do is to change the particle's direction.

So, I've been trying to understand a step on the mathematical explanation, but I'm stuck.

I'm using this source: http://www.tutorvista.com/content/physics/physics-iv/moving-charges-magnetism/lorentz-force.php

What I don't get is the step below

[tex]m \frac{d}{dt} (v \cdot v) = m(v} \cdot \frac{d v}{dt} + \frac{d v}{dt} \cdot v) = 2m v\frac{d v}{dt}[/tex]

Shouldn't it be

[tex]2m v \cdot \frac{d v}{dt} = 2m v \frac{d v}{dt} cos \theta[/tex]

What happened to the cosine? The dot product simply disappeared, it's like he considered [tex]cos \theta = 1[/tex], but as far as I understood it, the cosine is actually zero and not one.

OBS: 'v' is a vector.
 
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your latex image seems to be invalid and I can't view it
 
The legend said:
your latex image seems to be invalid and I can't view it

I've fixed it already, somehow the vector function in the latex wasn't working.
 
It looks like a typo to me. He does it correctly the first time when he says

[tex]m\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}\cdot \vec{v}=\frac{m}{2}\frac{d}{dt}(\vec{v} \cdot \vec{v})=0[/tex]

Now [itex]\vec{v} \cdot \vec{v}=v^2[/itex] so it follows that the change in kinetic energy is zero.
 

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