Why does the graph of the integral of x^3e^x^2 do this?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the functions f = (x^3)(e^x^2) and its integral F = (1/2)(e^x^2)(x^2-1) over the interval from 0 to 1. Participants explore why the integral F appears to grow slower than the function f, despite F representing the area under f.

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  • Some participants note that initially, F is larger than f, but f grows much faster as x increases, raising questions about the expected relationship between a function and its integral.
  • One participant suggests simplifying the functions by removing the common factor (e^x^2) to compare f and F more directly, leading to the conclusion that f is always larger than F for certain values of x.
  • Another participant discusses the fraction f/F and its behavior when x is small, indicating that f is much less than F in that case.
  • Several participants express confusion about how an integral, which represents area, can yield a value smaller than the function it integrates, especially when considering physical interpretations like speed and distance.
  • One participant emphasizes that comparing different types of quantities, such as area and distance, does not make sense, questioning the validity of comparing the integral to the function itself.
  • Another participant offers an analogy regarding velocity and distance to illustrate the confusion surrounding the comparison of different quantities.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between a function and its integral, with some questioning the validity of comparing them directly. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of integrals and their interpretations.

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Participants highlight the limitations of comparing different types of quantities, such as area versus distance and speed versus distance, without reaching a consensus on how to interpret the behavior of the functions involved.

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So if you graph f = (x^3)(e^x^2) and F = (1/2)(e^x^2)(x^2-1), its integral, from 0 to 1, F starts out much larger than f, and then f become starts growing much much faster than F. Shouldn't F be the one growing the fastest, as it's supposed to be the area under f?

Why does F grow slower than f? It makes no sense to me.
 
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MoarGrades said:
So if you graph f = (x^3)(e^x^2) and F = (1/2)(e^x^2)(x^2-1), its integral, from 0 to 1, F starts out much larger than f, and then f become starts growing much much faster than F. Shouldn't F be the one growing the fastest, as it's supposed to be the area under f?

Why does F grow slower than f? It makes no sense to me.

Well in the same functions you got (e^x^2) so we just remove that from both and get:
f=(x^3)
F=(1/2)(x^2-1)

We can just multiply the numbers in the second function(F) and thus get:
f=(x^3)
F=0.5(x^2)-0.5

The 0.5 is a very small value so if we subtract it from a big number(for example 10) then it doesn't make a big difference. For that reason we just take it away and get:
f=x^3
F=0.5(x^2)

As you see now when you put any value for x in these functions f is always bigger!
What is bigger? 10^3 or the half of 10^2?
 
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The fraction f/F can be written as:
\frac{f}{F}=\frac{2x^{3}}{x^{2}-2}
Suppose that x is a lot less than 1. Then, the denominator can be simplified as:
\frac{2x^{3}}{x^{2}-2}\approx\frac{2x^{3}}{-2}=-x^{3}
which is much less than 1 in absolute vale.
That is, when x is small, we have that |f/F| is much less than 1, i.e, f is much less than F.
 
MoarGrades said:
So if you graph f = (x^3)(e^x^2) and F = (1/2)(e^x^2)(x^2-1), its integral, from 0 to 1, F starts out much larger than f, and then f become starts growing much much faster than F. Shouldn't F be the one growing the fastest, as it's supposed to be the area under f?
Can you explain why you think that would be true?

Why does F grow slower than f? It makes no sense to me.
Why does it not make sense? What does the one have to do with the other?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Can you explain why you think that would be true? Why does it not make sense? What does the one have to do with the other?

Because isn't an integral supposed to represent the area under a curve? How can the area be smaller than the value of the function for a positive function?

For example, wouldn't this integral mean that someone running at a speed of (t^3)(e^t^2), at time t, travels a distance of (1/2)(e^t^2)(t^2-1)? How does it make sense that he traveled a distance that is less than his speed after a large enough t?

Is it just because f grows so fast?
 
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What makes no sense to me is to think that it is possible to compare two different kinds of quantities! Area is measured in "distance^2" and cannot be compared to "distance". Similarly, speed is measured in "distance/time" and it makes no sense to compare speed to distance.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What makes no sense to me is to think that it is possible to compare two different kinds of quantities! Area is measured in "distance^2" and cannot be compared to "distance". Similarly, speed is measured in "distance/time" and it makes no sense to compare speed to distance.

What do you mean? Isn't the integral of a positive function from a to b the area under it? Or if you describe that function as velocity, isn't the integral the displacement?
 
MoarGrades said:
What do you mean? Isn't the integral of a positive function from a to b the area under it? Or if you describe that function as velocity, isn't the integral the displacement?
A better analogy would be to wonder how you could travel just one mile if your velocity is 60 miles per hour.
 
MoarGrades said:
What do you mean? Isn't the integral of a positive function from a to b the area under it? Or if you describe that function as velocity, isn't the integral the displacement?
Yes, but I not saying that those "integrals" don't give those quantities. My point is that you cannot compare "area" to "distance" or "speed" to "distance". It simply doesn't make sense to say that a given area is larger than a given distance or that a given speed is greater tnan a given distance any more than you can say that a specific distance is larger than a given time.
 
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Hurkyl said:
A better analogy would be to wonder how you could travel just one mile if your velocity is 60 miles per hour.

Got it. thanks.
 

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