Why does the lim Δx →0 change the ≈ to =?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between the notation Δy/Δx and its limit as Δx approaches zero, specifically why the approximation symbol (≈) changes to an equality (=) in the context of calculus and derivatives.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that Δy/Δx is approximately equal to f'(x) when Δx is small, but becomes exactly equal to f'(x) in the limit as Δx approaches zero.
  • One participant asserts that the definition of f'(x) involves a limit, suggesting that this is why the notation changes from ≈ to =.
  • Another participant uses the example of 0.999... equating to 1 to illustrate how limits can convert approximations into exact values.
  • There is a discussion about whether differentials should be considered approximate, with some arguing that it depends on the definition of "differentials".
  • One participant challenges the notion that f'(x) is merely an approximation of Δy/Δx, stating that as Δx approaches zero, the value becomes exactly f'(x).
  • Another participant notes that Δy/Δx represents the slope of a curve, while also mentioning that the slope formula y/x applies only to straight lines through the origin.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of differentials and the relationship between Δy/Δx and f'(x). There is no consensus on whether all differentials should be considered approximate or how to interpret the transition from ≈ to =.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of definitions in understanding differentials and limits, indicating that the discussion may hinge on varying interpretations of these concepts.

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I was sifting through the beginning of my book when i came upon a section based on marginals and differentials. My question is why does Δy/Δx ≈ f'(x) when the lim Δx →0 Δy/Δx = f'(x)?


Δx = (x + Δx) - x ; therefore, Δy = f(x + Δx) - f(x) .

Δy/Δx = {f(x + Δx) - f(x)}/ Δx ≈ f'(x)

f'(x) = lim {f(x + Δx) - f(x)}/ Δx
Δx→0

In simplest terms, why does the lim Δx →0 change the ≈ to =?
 
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aclark609 said:
f'(x) = lim {f(x + Δx) - f(x)}/ Δx
Δx→0
That is the definition of f'(x). It is true because it was defined that way.
 
I believe aclark609's specific question was about why the ##\approx## changes to a ##=## and the answer is that that's how limits are. Whilst calculating a limit, the approximate answer is made exact via an infinite number of precise approximations. That is exactly the beautiful spirit of Calculus. For example, ## 0.\overline{9} = 1 ##, it is not approximately ##1##. If the number of ##9##s after the ##0## was huge but finite, it would be approximately, and very close to, ##1##. But, as the number of 0s grows more and more, the value becomes closer and closer to 1 - i.e. "approaching 1". The limit is the infinite case, which is exactly ##1##.

Hope that helped!
 
ahaanomegas said:
I believe aclark609's specific question was about why the ##\approx## changes to a ##=## and the answer is that that's how limits are. Whilst calculating a limit, the approximate answer is made exact via an infinite number of precise approximations. That is exactly the beautiful spirit of Calculus. For example, ## 0.\overline{9} = 1 ##, it is not approximately ##1##. If the number of ##9##s after the ##0## was huge but finite, it would be approximately, and very close to, ##1##. But, as the number of 0s grows more and more, the value becomes closer and closer to 1 - i.e. "approaching 1". The limit is the infinite case, which is exactly ##1##.

Hope that helped!

So by adding in the lim Δx →0 it pretty much replaces the ≈ with = because that is the whole concept of a limit, correct? If that is the case then wouldn't that make all differentials 'approximate.'
 
aclark609 said:
So by adding in the lim Δx →0 it pretty much replaces the ≈ with = because that is the whole concept of a limit, correct?
I wouldn't describe it that way. But the definition of the notation f'(x) does involve a limit.

aclark609 said:
If that is the case then wouldn't that make all differentials 'approximate.'
Depends on how you define the "differentials". You can e.g. define df as a function that takes two real numbers to a real number, like this: df(x,h)=f'(x)h for all x and all h. Now we have f'(x)=df(x,h)/h by definition. However, if you're asking whether
$$\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$ is equal to or approximately equal to f'(x), then the answer is that it's approximately equal to f'(x) when h is small.
 
It is the derivative of the curved line. y/x = slope. So Δy/Δx is just the "Calculus Way" of defining it.
 
aclark609 said:
So by adding in the lim Δx →0 it pretty much replaces the ≈ with = because that is the whole concept of a limit, correct? If that is the case then wouldn't that make all differentials 'approximate.'

I think your intuition is backwards here. It isn't that f'(x) is approximately Δy/Δx, and if you take the limit as Δx goes to zero you get an equality. It's that as Δx goes to zero, you get exactly the value f'(x) because that's how it's defined. The interesting point is that this implies Δy/Δx is going to approximate the value of f'(x) if Δx is small
 
EuroNerd77 said:
It is the derivative of the curved line. y/x = slope. So Δy/Δx is just the "Calculus Way" of defining it.
x/y is the slope only when we're dealing with a function whose graph is a straight line through the origin.
 

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