Why does the phase factor go with -z in this quantum mechanics problem?

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Textbook problem 1.14: a spin-1/2 particle has a 36% chance of Sz = hbar/2 and 64% chance of Sz = -hbar/2; the probability of finding Sx = hbar/2 in state |+x> is 50%; determine the state of the particle.


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This is the Solution. I am having trouble understanding parts of it.

Handwritten-style textbook solution to a quantum spin problem: amplitudes |+z> and |-z> with a relative phase factor e^(i delta), leading to |<+x|psi>|^2 = 1/2 and cos delta = 0.


The first part I don't get is why the e^i... goes with the -z. Did my professor just choose one at random, or is there a specific reason?

The second part I am not understanding is how he got that |<+x|>|^2 = 1/2...
I tried squaring the expression for <+x| > but I am not coming up with that value.
 
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  • Textbook problem 1.14 on spin-1/2 particles: probability 36% for Sz = hbar/2 and 64% for Sz = -hbar/2, and a 50% probability of finding Sx = hbar/2 for a particle in state |+x>. Asks for the particle's state.
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  • Handwritten-style printed solution to a quantum mechanics spin problem: relative phase delta between |+z> and |-z>, state expansion, and inner product giving cos delta = 0, so delta = pi/2 or 3pi/2.
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grandpa2390 said:
The first part I don't get is why the e^i... goes with the -z. Did my professor just choose one at random, or is there a specific reason?
It is an arbitrary choice. A state is determined only up to an arbitrary overall phase factor. So, the most you can expect to do is determine the relative phase between the up and down z states in ##|\psi \rangle##. You could just as well put the relative phase factor ##e^{i \delta}## with the ##|+z \rangle## ket.

The second part I am not understanding is how he got that |<+x|>|^2 = 1/2
It has to do with the information given about the probability for finding the particle in the ##|+x \rangle## state.
 
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TSny said:
It has to do with the information given about the probability for finding the particle in the ##|+x \rangle## state.

Could you elaborate?

How did he get to

Equation: |(+x|psi)|^2 = 1/2 + (6/25)(e^(i delta) + e^(-i delta)) = 1/2 + (12/25) cos delta
 
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If z is a complex number, then |z|2 = z*z.
 
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TSny said:
If z is a complex number, then |z|2 = z*z.

you are not making any sense. As I said, I did square the expression in the previous step. but I did not get that result.
 
TSny said:
If z is a complex number, then |z|2 = z*z.

are you say to multiply it by the complex conjugate?
 
grandpa2390 said:
are you say to multiply it by the complex conjugate?
Yes. Maybe it will be clearer using LaTeX:
$$
|z|^2 = z^* z
$$

(Edit: That's not necessarily clearer. I understand better why many mathematicians prefer the notation ##\bar{z}## to ##z^*##.)
 
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DrClaude said:
Yes. Maybe it will be clearer using LaTeX:
$$
|z|^2 = z^* z
$$

(Edit: That's not necessarily clearer. I understand better why many mathematicians prefer the notation ##\bar{z}## to ##z^*##.)
Thanks.
Lol, Written by hand, it makes sense. But on the computer, I am so used to seeing that symbol used for regular multiplication.

Thank you both.
 
OK, good. Sorry for the confusion regarding the complex conjugate notation.
Moreover, when I first read the following
grandpa2390 said:
The second part I am not understanding is how he got that |<+x|>|^2 = 1/2...
I tried squaring the expression for <+x| > but I am not coming up with that value.
I didn't notice the three dots ... after the 1/2. So, I thought you were asking why ##|\langle +x|\psi \rangle|^2= 1/2## . Thus, my response in post #2.
Oh well, glad it all got sorted out.
 
TSny said:
OK, good. Sorry for the confusion regarding the complex conjugate notation.
Moreover, when I first read the following

I didn't notice the three dots ... after the 1/2. So, I thought you were asking why ##|\langle +x|\psi \rangle|^2= 1/2## . Thus, my response in post #2.
Oh well, glad it all got sorted out.

I suspected that. so I posted the whole thing the second time (as I should have done the first time ;)

thanks