Why does the product of the gradients of perpendicular lines equal -1 in 3D?

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The discussion centers around the mathematical relationship between the gradients (slopes) of two straight lines that are perpendicular to each other, specifically in the context of 3D geometry. Participants explore various proofs and explanations for why the product of these gradients equals -1.

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  • Some participants assert that the slopes of perpendicular lines are negative reciprocals of each other, leading to the conclusion that their product is -1.
  • One participant suggests a geometric proof using similar triangles to demonstrate the relationship between the gradients.
  • Another participant proposes that the relationship can also be shown through trigonometric methods and other theorems.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to consider the context of 3D geometry, suggesting that the relationship holds true when considering the gradients as vectors.
  • Some participants express a desire for a deeper explanation of the underlying cause of the result, rather than just stating the relationship.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationship that the product of the gradients of perpendicular lines equals -1, but there are multiple approaches and proofs presented, indicating a lack of consensus on the best or most intuitive explanation.

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Some arguments rely on geometric interpretations and assumptions about the angles formed by the lines, while others invoke trigonometric relationships. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these different approaches.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of mathematics and geometry, particularly those interested in understanding the properties of perpendicular lines and their slopes in both 2D and 3D contexts.

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M1.m2 = -1 ??

Why is the product of the gradients of 2 straight line perpendicular to each other is always equal to -1 ?? Is there any theory to explain this ??
 
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The slopes of perpendicular lines are negative reciprocals of each other. So if y_{1} and y_{2} are perpendicular lines (in standard form) then \frac{\mathrm{d} y_{1}}{\mathrm{d} x} = m and \frac{\mathrm{d} y_{2}}{\mathrm{d} x} = -m^{-1} so their products will simply be -1.
 


I think the easiest proof is a geometric one using similar triangles.

- The attachment shows a line, gradient m1, and a perpendicular.

- The two angles marked with dots are equal. (Complementary to common angle).

- By similar triangles d/1 = 1/m1

- By definition (rise/run) the gradient of the perpendicular = -d/1 = -1/m1
 

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Yh Hoo said:
Why is the product of the gradients of 2 straight line perpendicular to each other is always equal to -1 ?? Is there any theory to explain this ??

There are many ways to prove this. One and the simpler way is illustrated to you by WannaBeNewton in above post .

Other ways are by trigonometry , use of trigonometrical coordinates , Use of other theorems etc.

I am showing you another simpler way by similarity of triangles ( I hope you know it.)

Let one line with side of course x1-x and y1-y be intersected by other line with side of course x3-x2 and y3-y2 be intersected at angle 90o

Now you complete their intersection by joining their ends with dotted lines (note one end will be common ie intersection point). You'll notice it will form two right angled triangles .
Now you prove those two triangles similar by their same shape .

By this ,
All corresponding sides of 2 triangles will be proportional , ie
y1-y/x1-x = x3-x2/y3-y2

or1

m1=-1/m2
(Realize one line inclination is > 90 degree hence slope is negative.)

m1 x m2 = -1

QED .
 


WannabeNewton said:
The slopes of perpendicular lines are negative reciprocals of each other. So if y_{1} and y_{2} are perpendicular lines (in standard form) then \frac{\mathrm{d} y_{1}}{\mathrm{d} x} = m and \frac{\mathrm{d} y_{2}}{\mathrm{d} x} = -m^{-1} so their products will simply be -1.

I think he meant: explain the cause of the result

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we have 2 perpendicular lines l and l1. the slope of l = -y/x and the slope of l1 = y1/x1

triangle (O,x1,y1) is similar to triangle (M,x1,x) (two angles are the same)
This triangle is also similar to triangle (O, y, x)

therefore y/x = x1/y1 and if you substitute that in the slope of l1, you'll see it's equal to x/y, so the product of the two slopes = -1
 

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Think in 3D.

Put differently;<m,1> vector is forming 90 degrees with <n,1> vector 2D gradients since original graphs retain perpendicularity.

thus m*n+1=0*sqrt(n**2+1)sqrt(m**2+1)

You can further solve to find
m*n = -1

m=-1/n
 
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