Why does the second term disappear in the tangent vector equation?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical reasoning behind the disappearance of a term in the tangent vector equation involving the Levi-Civita connection. Participants explore the implications of symmetry in the connection and the properties of vector components in a local Lorentz frame.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about why a second term disappears in the equation involving tangent vectors and the Levi-Civita connection, questioning if it relates to the local Lorentz frame.
  • Another participant suggests working in a coordinate basis and refers to the symmetry of the Levi-Civita connection.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies the meaning of the Levi-Civita connection and discusses the cancellation of terms based on their symmetric and antisymmetric properties.
  • Further contributions emphasize the importance of recognizing the antisymmetry of one term and the symmetry of another, leading to their product being zero.

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Participants generally agree on the properties of symmetry and antisymmetry in the context of the discussion, but there is some uncertainty regarding the initial reasoning and the implications of local frames.

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It is the last part that I am having trouble understanding. It says that if u and w are tangent vectors then,


[tex]\nabla_{\bold{u}}\bold{w} - \nabla_{\bold{w}}\bold{u} = [\bold{u},\bold{w}][/tex].​

Now,


[tex][\bold{u},\bold{w}] = \partial_{\bold{u}}\partial_{\bold{w}} - \partial_{\bold{w}}\partial_{\bold{u}} = (u^\beta\,v^{\alpha}_{,\beta} - v^\beta\,u^{\alpha}_{,\beta})\bold{e}_\alpha[/tex].

But,


[tex]\nabla_{\bold{u}}\bold{w} - \nabla_{\bold{w}}\bold{u} = (u^\beta\,w^{\alpha}_{,\beta} - w^\beta\,u^{\alpha}_{,\beta})\bold{e}_\alpha + (u^\beta\,w^{\alpha} - w^\beta\,u^{\alpha})\bold{e}_{\alpha}_{,\beta}[/tex].

So how do I reason that the second term disappears? Is the derivative of the vector basis zero b/c this is in a local Lorentz frame? In other words, there are no correction terms??

Thanks in advance for any help you may give me.

-LD
 
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Work in coordinate basis [tex]e_\alpha=\partial_\alpha[/tex]. Use the fact that the Levi-Civita connection is symmetric and
[tex]\nabla_\alpha e_\beta = ...[/tex]
 
arkajad said:
Work in coordinate basis [tex]e_\alpha=\partial_\alpha[/tex]. Use the fact that the Levi-Civita connection is symmetric and
[tex]\nabla_\alpha e_\beta = ...[/tex]
[1] By "Levi-Civita connection" do you mean:
a) the "connection coefficients" aka
b) the affine connection aka
c) the Christoffel symbols??[2] In a coordinate basis, the commutator of the partials is zero. The second term is not a commutator of the partials - but of the components of the respective vectors. So it can't be canceled out.[3] Finally, [tex]\nabla_{\alpha}\,\bold{e}_{\beta}[/tex] is the connection coefficient, [tex]\Gamma^{\mu}_{\alpha\beta}\bold{e}_{\mu}[/tex]. So then the other term would be: [tex]\nabla_{\beta}\,\bold{e}_{\alpha} = \Gamma^{\mu}_{\beta\alpha}\bold{e}_{\mu}[/tex] ... which when subtracted - and since the Christoffel symbols are symmetric in their lower indices - would then make the second term cancel out!

So I was too quick to match dummy indices with these two terms! Yes?? (If so thanks dude!)-LD
 
"would then make the second term cancel out"
Just remeber: if [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is antisymmetric and [tex]B_{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is symmetric, then [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}B_{\alpha\beta}=0[/tex].
 
arkajad said:
"would then make the second term cancel out"
Just remeber: if [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is antisymmetric and [tex]B_{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is symmetric, then [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}B_{\alpha\beta}=0[/tex].

Yes! the (uw-wu) is anti-symmetric in a,b and the e_a,b is symmetric in a,b. That's a good one to remember.

Thanks for all your kind help and patience with me. May God richly bless you, in Jesus' name, amen.


-joe
 

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