Why does this integral lead to zero, while the other does not.

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of double integrals over a triangular area defined by specific vertices. Participants explore the reasons why one integral results in a non-zero value while another integral evaluates to zero, focusing on the underlying logic rather than the mathematical calculations.

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  • One participant notes that the integral of (x+y) over the triangular area equals 1/3, while the integral of (x-y) equals 0, seeking a logical explanation for this difference.
  • Another participant mentions that for the same domain, the integrals of x and y both equal 1/6, highlighting the linearity of integration.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the function z = x - y has equal signed volumes above and below the plane z = 0 within the specified region, leading to cancellation in the integral.
  • Another participant explains that the region is symmetric with respect to the line y=x, and for each point (a,b), its reflection (b,a) also lies within the region, causing the values of the function f(x,y) = y - x to cancel out when integrated.
  • Several functions are proposed that would also yield zero when integrated over the same region, reinforcing the idea of symmetry and cancellation.

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Participants generally agree on the conceptual reasoning behind the cancellation of the integral of (x-y), though the discussion includes multiple perspectives on the underlying geometric and algebraic principles. No consensus is reached on a singular explanation, as various viewpoints are presented.

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The discussion does not resolve the mathematical details of the integrals, nor does it clarify all assumptions regarding the functions and their properties over the specified region.

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why does this integral:

double integral (x+y) dA , A is the area bounded by the triangle with vertices (0,0) (0,1) (1,0)
equal 1/3

While this one, (x-y) dA , A is the area bounded by the same vertices
equal 0?

(not looking for the math, already worked them out, just looking for some logic behind why the second one would be zero).

Thanks!
 
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well for the same domain

∫x dA=∫y dA=1/6

and integration is linear
 
Also, geometrically, it implies the function z = x - y has the same volume below the plane z = 0 restricted to that region as above it. Since the integral is geometrically measuring the signed volume between z = x - y and z = 0 restricted to that region, the two different signed volumes precisely cancel.
 
Your integral is like the sum of the values of f(x,y) over the region. You are looking at a region that is symmetric with respect to reflection across the line y=x. In other words, for each (a,b) in your region, the reflected point (b,a) is also in the region.

For the function f(x,y)=y-x, notice that f(y,x) = -f(x,y). So when you add up the values of f over the region, they cancel each other out. By similar logic, the following functions would all yield 0 when integrated over the same region:
sin(x-y)
(x-y)^2sin(x-y)
5(y-x)+10(y-x)^7
 
makes sense can't believe I didn't see it.

Thanks, guys
 

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