Why does this work? Directional Derivatives.

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The discussion revolves around finding the directional derivative of the function f(x,y) = (x^2)y - y^3 at the point (2,1,3). Participants explore the steps taken to compute the directional derivative and question the validity of the methods used, particularly in relation to the chain rule and the application of partial derivatives.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind the steps taken in calculating the directional derivative, particularly the use of a dot product and the application of the chain rule. Other participants discuss the relationship between partial derivatives and directional derivatives, questioning whether the equation presented by the original poster is always valid.

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Some participants provide insights into the connection between the chain rule and the computation of directional derivatives. There is an ongoing exploration of the validity of the equation presented by the original poster, with references to external resources for further clarification.

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Find the directional derivative of:
f(x,y) = (x^2)y-y^3, (2,1,3)


Can somebody explain to me why we did the step we did?

First we found the directional derivative of f(x,y,z)
▽f(x,y)
= <2xy, (x^2)-3(y^2), a>
▽f(2,1)
= <2(2)(1), (2^2)-3(1^2)), a>
= <2(2), 4-3, a> = <4,1, a>

and then we... did some sorcery mathematics?!
f(x,y) = (x^2)y-y^3
z = f(x, y)
F(x,y,z) = f(x,y) - z
▽F(x,y,z) = <2xy, (x^2)-3(y^2), -1>
▽F(2,1,3) = <4,1,-1>

A dot product for some reason...
<4,1,a><4,1,-1> = 0
4(4)+1(1)-a = 0
16+1 = a
17 = a

Therefore, the directional derivative is, <4,1,17>.
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My question is: if we are given a function f(x,y) and are told to find the directional derivative at the point (xo,yo,zo) is it safe to say that we can always solve it like we did above?

Du▽f(x,y,z) = <fx(x,y), fy(x,y), <fx(x,y), fy(x,y)><fx(x,y), fy(x,y)>>?

Can somebody explain to me why the equation above is valid? This isn't homework, I'm just reviewing my notes and couldn't understand what happened here. This is just for my own understanding... and because of that I'm worried I'm posting this in the wrong thread.

Thank you for taking the time to read my question.
 
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This is just a variant of the chain rule. The partials are the directional derivatives in the direction of the standard x,y,z axes, so that the chain rule just multiplies by 1 at most.

Basically, when you do the quotient [f(x+th,y,z)-f(x,y,z)]/h as h->0, the chain rule
will multiply the partial by the directional vector.
 
Bacle2 said:
This is just a variant of the chain rule. The partials are the directional derivatives in the direction of the standard x,y,z axes, so that the chain rule just multiplies by 1 at most.

Basically, when you do the quotient [f(x+th,y,z)-f(x,y,z)]/h as h->0, the chain rule
will multiply the partial by the directional vector.
So that equation, Du▽f(x,y,z) = <fx(x,y), fy(x,y), <fx(x,y), fy(x,y)><fx(x,y), fy(x,y)>>, will always hold (when asked for the directional derivative of f(x,y) at point (x,y,z))?
 

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