Why doesn't an inductor act as a closed circuit to AC?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of inductors in alternating current (AC) versus direct current (DC) circuits. Participants explore the reasons why inductors do not act as closed circuits for AC, examining concepts such as impedance, voltage, and energy storage in inductors.

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  • Some participants explain that inductors resist changes in current, creating a voltage difference proportional to the rate of change in current, which leads to different behavior in AC compared to DC.
  • Others discuss the concept of impedance, noting that it varies with frequency and is zero for DC, resulting in a closed circuit, while AC introduces frequency-dependent impedance.
  • One participant introduces the analogy of inertia in fluid dynamics to describe how inductors respond to changing current.
  • Another perspective highlights the energy storage in inductors through magnetic fields, comparing it to kinetic energy and discussing how AC voltage causes oscillations in current flow.
  • Some participants mention the phase shift of current relative to voltage in purely inductive and capacitive circuits, emphasizing the complexity of the interactions in AC circuits.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the behavior of inductors in AC circuits, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Different analogies and mathematical formulations are offered, indicating a rich discussion with unresolved aspects.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of impedance and energy storage, as well as the unresolved nature of how various analogies apply across different contexts in electrical engineering.

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I understand that an inductor acts as a closed circuit to DC because it's just a coiled wire but why doesn't it act the same way for AC? What does it act as in AC?
 
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You can think of the inductor as working a bit like inertia in stream of fluid: when the rate of flow changes, it 'resists' the change. It creates a voltage difference proportional to the rate of change in current - so when the current is constant then there is no voltage.
 
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NateTG said:
You can think of the inductor as working a bit like inertia in stream of fluid: when the rate of flow changes, it 'resists' the change. It creates a voltage difference proportional to the rate of change in current - so when the current is constant then there is no voltage.

Wow. That was elegantly explained.
 
Couple different ways to look at this.
The impedance of a INDUCTOR is JWL

w=omega...or radians per second of your input signal...such as the 377 in a wall outlet: 170sin377t volts
So clearly, as the frequency changes, so does the impedance.

What's the frequency of DC? Zero right? When you plug zero into JWL, you get zero resistance, or a "closed" circuit as you say above.

Then there is this formula:
L*di/d(t)=v(t)

In simple terms, You could say that any change in current makes a voltage across the inductor.
In DC, there is no change in current, just a flat line. No change in current, no voltage...hence your closed or short circuit once again.

Works the same but opposite for Capacitors.
Impedance is 1/(jwc)

Impedance changes with frequency again.
Again, if w=0 you will have a infinite resistance...or open circuit.

C*dv/dt=it

Again, change in voltage induces current. In DC, no change in voltage, no current, open circuit...

Also important to note that the "j" in the impedance, shifts the current out of phase with voltage. If it is purely inductive circuit, the current will shift 90 degrees with a vector pointing down. If it is purely capacitive, it will be a current vector pointing straight up. Ussually tho, there is a combination between real and imaginary current...leading to a current angle somewhere between 0 and 90 degrees. The two derivatives above will accomplish the same thing.

One more, the AC voltage in a receptacle has a frequency of 60 hz. So the current changes directions 60 times per second. So when it hits that coil of wire, an electrical field is induced, but then it changes direction inducing the field the other way...over and over. Same for the capacitor, it starts to charge in one direction, then current changes direction inducing the charge the other way...over and over.
 
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The impedance of a[STRIKE] capacitor[/STRIKE] inductor is JWL

i do that all the time too.
 
jim hardy said:
The impedance of a[STRIKE] capacitor[/STRIKE] inductor is JWL

i do that all the time too.

True that!
 
Another alternative way to look at it:
The essence of an Inductor is that, when you pass a current through it, it has a magnetic field around it (this is true even for a 'wire' only it is more for many turns of wire and particularly if there's a magnetic 'core' inside it). Building up the field involves Energy and this energy is 'stored' in a dynamic way, by the Inductor. This Magnetic energy is analogous to Kinetic Energy of a moving mass. Along with this Energy, there is an electromagnetic equivalent to equivalent to the Mass. Applying an AC voltage across an inductor is the equivalent to trying to 'wobble' a massive object. The faster the wobble (higher the AC frequency) and the bigger the mass (Inductance), the smaller the displacements of the wobble (Currents flowing in the Inductor for a given applied voltage).
 
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