Why doesn't my solution for finding a plane through three points work?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a plane that passes through three given points in three-dimensional space. The original poster is attempting to understand why their approach to deriving the plane's equation does not yield a correct solution, specifically in the context of a calculus problem from a textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster describes their attempt to find a normal vector orthogonal to the vectors formed by the given points. They express confusion over their derived equation and its implications regarding the z-coordinate.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in clarifying the original poster's reasoning and questioning the validity of their assumptions. Some guidance is provided regarding the nature of the plane and its relationship to the z-coordinate, but no consensus or resolution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the original poster may not fully grasp the implications of their derived equation and how it relates to the geometric interpretation of the problem. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the role of the z-coordinate in the context of the plane's equation.

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Hi,

I'm currently reading Calc III by Marsden & Weinstein. One of the examples shows a plane being drawn through three points. While I understand their solutiom, I'm very curious as to why my solutiom doesn't work.

1. Homework Statement

Write the equatiom for a plane through A = (1, 1, 1), B = (2, 0, 0) and C = (1, 1, 0).

Homework Equations


For a plane through Point P = (Px, Py, Pz) orthogonal to n = <A, B, C> we write the equation:

A(X - Px) + B(Y - Py) + C(Z - Pz)

The Attempt at a Solution


The book solves the problem by filling the points into the more general formula:

Ax + By + Cz + D = 0

Which leaves us with three equations and four unknowns, which is adequate to come up with a solution (there is an infinite amount of solutions).

I tried to solve it by trying to find a normal vector n = <nx, ny, nz> that is orthogonal to the vectors AB, AC and BC.

n ⋅ AB = 0
n ⋅ AC = 0
n ⋅ BC = 0

Leads to

nx - ny - nz = 0
-nz = 0
-nx + ny = 0

Solving this system leads to twice the expression nx = ny and once nz = 0. Thus I took <1, 1, 0> as a possible n.

Filling this in alongside A into the relevant equation leads to the equation

(x - 1) + (y - 1) = 0

Which simplifies to

x + y = 2

Obviously this is not a solution and the fact that the final answer incorporates a nomzero coeficient for z only proves that point. What did I do wrong?

- HF
 
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Heatherfield said:
the fact that the final answer incorporates a nomzero coeficient for z only proves that point.

What final answer are you referring to ? The final answer given in the book ?
 
Heatherfield said:
Which simplifies to

x + y = 2

Obviously this is not a solution and the fact that the final answer incorporates a nomzero coeficient for z only proves that point. What did I do wrong?
Why do you think your solution is wrong? Do coordinates of A, B, C fulfill the equation x+y=2?
 
Heatherfield said:
x + y = 2

Obviously this is not a solution and the fact that the final answer incorporates a nomzero coeficient for z only proves that point.

Have you've visualized that the answer to the problem is a plane that is perpendicular to the xy-plane, so it "sticks straight up in the z-direction"? (The answer must be a plane containing the vertical line segment (1,1,0) to (1,1,1). ) The lack of the "z" variable in "x + y = 2" is what permits the z-coordinate to take arbitrary values.
 

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