Why Hot Air Rises and Cold Air Sinks: Understanding Air Density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of why hot air rises and cold air sinks, focusing on the concepts of air density, temperature, and buoyancy. Participants explore theoretical explanations, physical principles, and hypothetical scenarios related to this behavior in gases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that hot air is less dense due to the increased energy and movement of air molecules, leading to higher pressure and volume compared to cold air.
  • Others reference the ideal gas law to explain that density decreases with temperature for a gas at constant pressure.
  • A participant describes a scenario involving a balloon filled with hot air, suggesting that buoyant forces cause it to rise due to the density difference with surrounding cold air.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of less dense air surrounded by denser air, questioning why it wouldn't be filled with air from the denser region.
  • Some participants note that viscous forces and pressure gradients play a role in natural convection, affecting the flow and heat transfer in such systems.
  • A simpler explanation is offered, stating that denser air is "heavier" and thus experiences a stronger gravitational pull, causing lighter air to rise above it.
  • Further exploration includes scenarios where regions of different densities exist without temperature differences, suggesting that pressure balance would lead to air movement.
  • One participant introduces the idea of a gravitational potential affecting gas density and temperature distribution within a chamber.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints, and while some explanations align with each other, there is no consensus on the complete understanding of the mechanisms involved. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interactions between temperature, density, and buoyancy.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about hydrostatic equilibrium and the effects of temperature mixing, which remain unresolved. The role of viscous forces and pressure gradients in natural convection is also noted but not fully explored.

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Why does hot less dense air rise and cold more dense air sink? Also, why is hot air less dense than cold air?
 
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Hi, Scheuerf.
Hot air is more energetic, thus the air molecules are faster moving and collide more often than in a cold air situation. So for the same volume and number of molecules, a higher temperature would give a higher pressure (pressure is somewhat number of collisions*impulse/time/surface).
In the case of a given volume with two halves of different temperature yet the same number of molecules, this would result in two regions with two pressures, which would tend to go to a more balanced state. So the hot air has higher pressure, and pushes the cold air into a smaller volume than the starting half. Now you get differing densities as the hot air will occupy a bigger volume and the cold air less. And with differing densities, Archimedes law tells us that the less dense a will float above the denser air as the gravitational potential energy of the denser air is higher, which means hot on top of cold is energetically more favorable than vice-verso.
 
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According to the ideal gas law, the density of a gas is given by:
$$ρ=\frac{PM}{RT}$$
where M is the molecular weight, R is the universal gas constant, P is the pressure, and T is the temperature. For constant pressure, the density of the gas decreases with temperature.

Regarding hot air rising and cold are sinking, imagine that there is a parcel of hot air immersed in an ocean of cold air. If the hot air were encased in a balloon, then you would say that the buoyant force exerted by the cold air on the balloon would cause the balloon to rise (because the hot air inside the balloon is less dense). Basically, the same thing would happen even if a balloon were not encasing the hot air.

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But if you had a region of less dense air surrounded by more dense air, why wouldn't the less dense air be filled with air from the more dense area?
 
Scheuerf said:
But if you had a region of less dense air surrounded by more dense air, why wouldn't the less dense air be filled with air from the more dense area?
If the system is not at hydrostatic equilibrium, there are also viscous forces involved, and these need to be taken into account in the momentum balance. With natural convection like this, the pressures are close to being equal, but not quite. The small difference in density results in small differences in vertical pressure gradients between the hot and cold regions, and this gives rise to the buoyant forces. When you get into natural convective heat transfer, all these factors will be taken into account in determining the flow and the heat transfer. For such a detailed analysis, see Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot, Transport Phenomena.

Chet
 
Attempt at simple answer:
Denser stuff is 'heavier', it gets more pull from gravity.
'Lighter' stuff gets less pull, so it floats 'up' above 'heavier ' stuff.
 
Scheuerf said:
But if you had a region of less dense air surrounded by more dense air, why wouldn't the less dense air be filled with air from the more dense area?
As Chestermiller said ... yet in my wording.
If you have a region of less dense air and one denser, with NO temperature difference, the dense air will flow (a.k.a. "wind") into the less dense region and the two will fall in a pressure balance. There will be some thermal heating from the flow and pressure balancing but let's assume they can be ignored for small density differences.
If the less dense region is hotter than the dense region and the system is in equilibrium, then it will be able to keep it's density until the temperatures mix.
A third situation is a given volume (chamber) of uniform gas in a gravitational potential, which leads to a pressure gradient, which in it's turn leads to a temperature gradient in the vertical direction. To visualise this one, let's just set the gravity so strong that only the most energetic molecules have a chance to reach the top of the chamber. So at any given time the molecules found in the top portion will be more energetic than the ones in the bottom part, and of course their density will be different.
 

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