Why Increasing Pully B's Diameter is Incorrect

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of pulley systems, specifically addressing the effects of changing the diameter of pulleys on the forces involved. The original poster questions why increasing the diameter of pulley B does not yield the same force reduction as increasing the diameter of pulley A, as stated in a textbook reference.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pulley sizes and the forces on the ropes, questioning how changes to pulley B's diameter affect the overall system. They discuss the implications of equal sizes for pulleys A and B and consider the torque dynamics involved.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics of torque and force in relation to pulley sizes, suggesting that reducing the diameter of pulley B could have similar effects as increasing the diameter of pulley A. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a focus on understanding the mechanics of the pulley system and the assumptions regarding the sizes of the pulleys. The original poster's confusion stems from the textbook's explanation, which may not fully clarify the relationship between the pulleys.

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the book says the answer is C because 'increasing the diameter of the pully decreases the amount of force required to pull rope A'. I don't understand why increasing the diameter of pully B does not have the same effect (i.e., why D is incorrect.)
 
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If pulley A and B were the same size the force on the ropes would be the same - the machine wouldn't be doing anything.
So making pulley B larger (ie closer in size to A ) does what to the force?

What would you have to do to pulley B to make the force on A smaller (if you left pulley A the same size)
 
okay, i understand now.. the pulley system works because it reduces the torque that the mass exerts on the center rotation point, and increases the torque that the user (pulling on rope a) exerts on the center rotation point. increasing pulley B diameter would increase the clockwise torque from the mass, so decreasing the size of pulley B (and keeping the size of A constant) would have the same effect as increasing the size of pulley A.
 
Exactly - you can also think of it as just a simple lever on a pivot in the centre.
 

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