Why is a 1/2 wave function considered odd symmetrical?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of a periodic function as either "1/2 wave odd symmetrical" or "odd symmetrical." Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms in the context of Fourier series and symmetry properties of functions.

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  • One participant states that the book defines a 1/2 wave odd symmetrical function as having each 1/2 cycle as a mirror image of the next, questioning why the function is categorized as odd symmetrical instead.
  • Another participant suggests that a signal with half-wave odd symmetry does not necessarily have to exhibit odd or even symmetry, but acknowledges that the function in question does have odd symmetry (f(t) = -f(-t)), allowing for simplifications in Fourier series coefficients.
  • One participant argues that if the function had half-wave symmetry, it would behave differently in the positive direction beyond certain points, implying that it does not exhibit half-wave symmetry.
  • A later reply agrees with the previous point but initially misinterprets the function's symmetry, later correcting themselves by acknowledging that the function does not have half-wave symmetry as defined.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of adhering to the formal definition of half-wave symmetry in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the function exhibits half-wave symmetry, with some agreeing on the formal definitions while others initially misinterpret the symmetry before correcting themselves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the function.

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Participants reference specific definitions and properties of symmetry, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these definitions. There are unresolved mathematical interpretations and dependencies on the definitions of symmetry being used.

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The book defines a 1/2 wave odd symmetrical function as each 1/2 cycle is a mirror image of the next.
\begin{array}{l}<br /> {a_0} = 0 \\ <br /> {a_n} = {\textstyle{4 \over T}}\int_0^{{\raise0.5ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle T$}<br /> \kern-0.1em/\kern-0.15em<br /> \lower0.25ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle 2$}}} {f(t)\cos n{w_0}t\,dt} {\rm{ - &gt; for n odd}} \\ <br /> {a_n} = 0{\rm{ - &gt; for }}n{\rm{ even}} \\ <br /> {b_n} = {\textstyle{4 \over T}}\int_0^{{\raise0.5ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle T$}<br /> \kern-0.1em/\kern-0.15em<br /> \lower0.25ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle 2$}}} {f(t)\sin n{w_0}t\,dt} {\rm{ - &gt; for n odd}} \\ <br /> {b_n} = 0{\rm{ - &gt; for }}n{\rm{ even}} \\ <br /> \end{array}


An odd symmetrical function is described as being symmetrical about the vertical axis. f(-t)=-f(t).
\begin{array}{l}<br /> {a_0} = 0 \\ <br /> {a_n} = 0 \\ <br /> {b_n} = {\textstyle{4 \over T}}\int_0^{{\raise0.5ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle T$}<br /> \kern-0.1em/\kern-0.15em<br /> \lower0.25ex\hbox{$\scriptstyle 2$}}} {f(t)\sin n{w_0}t\,dt} \\ <br /> \end{array}

Given this I would therefore categorize the attached periodic function as 1/2 wave odd symmetrical. However the book uses the odd symmetrical category and the corresponding formulas.
Can somebody explain why it is odd symmetrical and not 1/2 wave odd symmetrical?

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Although I wouldn't claim to be really sure, based on what I found out from reading here:

http://cnx.org/content/m32877/latest/

It sounds like a signal with half-wave odd symmetry does not necessarily have to have an odd or even symmetry. However, in this case, it DOES have odd symmetry ( f(t) = -f(-t) ), therefore, an additional simplification to the equations for the Fourier series coefficients is possible.

By the way, your choice of LaTeX syntax is...interesting. Why not try something like this?$$a_n = \frac{4}{T}\int_0^{T/2} f(t) \cos(n \omega_0 t)\,dt \longrightarrow \textrm{for}~n~\textrm{odd}$$Right click and then select "Show Math As > TeX Commands" to see the code.
 


Because: take points x = 0 and x = π, then go in the +x direction for both points. If there was half-wave symmetry, as you go in the +x direction, the function would go more negative as you increase above x = π, as it goes more positive as you increase above x = 0. But it doesn't. As you go above π it goes more positive, just as it does as you go above 0.
 


rude man said:
Because: take points x = 0 and x = π, then go in the +x direction for both points. If there was half-wave symmetry, as you go in the +x direction, the function would go more negative as you increase above x = π, as it goes more positive as you increase above x = 0. But it doesn't. As you go above π it goes more positive, just as it does as you go above 0.

I think this function does have half-wave symmetry, does it not? At least according to the definition given in the link from my first post, the requirement is that x(t) = -x(t + T/2) where T is the period (2π in this instance). Take t = π/2 as an example. x(π/2) = 1.5, and it's clear that x(π/2 + π) = x(3π/2) = -1.5, in accordance with the requirement. It seems obvious that this would be true for any value of t that lies in the first linear ramp (it would be mapped to the equivalent point on the negative of that linear ramp, half a cycle later).

This also fits in with the OP's conception of it as each half cycle being the negative of the preceding one.

EDIT: NO! I see that I'm wrong (particularly with what I said in red). For instance x(0) = 1, whereas x(π) = -2 (not -1). So each point is not mapped to its negative on the next half cycle. The ramp would have to be inverted in slope as well, in order for this to be true (I see that you already stated this). So I was wrong. The function doesn't have half-wave symmetry in this case. My mistake.
 
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No sweat, cepheid! You were right in giving us the formal definition of half-wave symmetry, to wit, f(t+T/2) = -f(t).
 


I agree. The surest method is to just go with the formal definition.
 

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