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Why is fluoride toxic to bacterial cells?

  1. Aug 10, 2011 #1
    And does it similarly affect the cells of organisms of any other biological Kingdoms?
     
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  3. Aug 10, 2011 #2

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    How did the results of your 'fluoride toxicity' Google turn out?
     
  4. Aug 10, 2011 #3
    Fluoride is notoriously corrosive, of course. Think hydrofluoric acid.

    More specifically - fluoride can serve as a nucleophile, and can serve as a phosphatase inhibitor (which would mean it can do so to any and all organisms, at least in principle). Substitution of fluorine for hydrogen can result in a compound that is more difficult for the organism to detoxify and excrete, which may be deleterious.

    I'm fairly sure that fluoride toxicity is probably extensively covered somewhere online, as it can also do unpleasant things like decrease calcium levels in humans, which can wreak all kinds of havoc.
     
  5. Aug 11, 2011 #4
    Googling 'fluoride toxicity' doesn't readily yield information about fluorine's absorption by cells and/or reactions with cellular components such as organelles and enzymes.
     
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  6. Aug 11, 2011 #5
    The corrosive part is, to put it simply, the hydrogen ion, not the fluoride part. Also, you are confusing fluoride (F-) with fluorine (F2).
     
  7. Aug 11, 2011 #6
    My bad. I seem to be in the midst of a burst of thinking about halogen chemistry and got my wires crossed.

    Sodium fluoride is a fairly well known inhibitor of certain phosphatases. It's even sold commercially as a protease inhibitor for use in biochemistry labs. It's also used as an inhibitor for one of the glycolytic enzymes as well.

    Are you looking for something in particular?
     
  8. Aug 12, 2011 #7
    I want to know how it (fluorine and/or fluoride) interacts with what to cause cell death.
     
  9. Aug 12, 2011 #8
    That should be phosphatase inhibitor in my last post, not protease inhibitor.

    Well, we've already mentioned a couple - interference with metabolism (inhibition of the glycolytic enzyme enolase), inhibition of phosphatases (which are involved in the regulation of numerous cellular functions), and will form insoluble precipitates with calcium, which is an essential trace element.

    If more detail is needed, I will have to defer to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed" [Broken], as I'm not familiar with the toxicology literature on this topic.
     
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  10. Aug 12, 2011 #9
    The fluoride ion, not the hydrogen ion, is the source of toxicity. Fluorine (the element) is extremely electrophilic (wants one more electron pair so it can complete its p-shell and fool itself into believing that it's neon). Fluoride (the ion) has obtained only one of the two electrons it wants, and it's desperate for one more. So fluoride will steal -- or borrow -- a stray electron from *anything*, which is one of the reasons that it's so corrosive/reactive. Introduction of an electrophile to a biological system will probably disrupt electron transport (energy metabolism), bind to nitrogen-containing compounds like proteins or nucleobases, and generally -- because of its size -- prevent the molecule's proper alignment or conformation.
     
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  11. Aug 13, 2011 #10
    F- is a fairly good nucleophile due to high electron density. I don't possibly understand how it can act as an electrophile. If you have sources which support your statement please post their links.

    In addition, elemental fluorine has 7 electrons in its outermost shell, so it needs one more electron and not an electron pair to complete its octet. Therefore F- will not accept anymore electrons (also due to absence of vacant d-orbitals).

    At OP,
    Mike H has already given some useful information.
    I don't know the cause of fluoride toxicity, but this might shed further light.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride#Toxicology
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning
     
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  12. Aug 14, 2011 #11
    i stand corrected.
     
  13. Aug 14, 2011 #12
    I asked for appropriate sources which support your claim.
     
  14. Aug 14, 2011 #13
    Here's one: Electrophilicity Index Parr, R. G.; Szentpaly, L. v.; Liu, S. J. Am. Chem. Soc.; (Article); 1999; 121(9); 1922-1924. doi:10.1021/ja983494x
     
  15. Aug 14, 2011 #14
    I also forget to mention F2 addition to alkene bonds.
     
  16. Aug 14, 2011 #15
    I do not have access to the article so please post excerpts from the article which support your statement.
     
  17. Aug 14, 2011 #16
    Fluorine doesn't give simple addition reactions because of its high reactivity.
     
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