Why is Flux Through Core Doubled at Transformer Start-Up?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of flux in a transformer core during startup, specifically addressing why the flux is perceived to double at this time. Participants explore the implications of magnetic characteristics, inrush current, and the relationship between voltage and current during the transient state of a transformer.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that when a transformer is re-energized, the remanent induction can lead to a situation where the flux may appear to triple due to the combination of residual induction and the applied voltage.
  • Others argue that during startup, both voltage and current are initially zero, leading to a transient current surge that could double the maximum core flux.
  • One participant emphasizes that the increase in flux, which can lead to saturation, is the origin of the inrush magnetizing current, and this is related to the core material rather than the phase angle between voltage and current.
  • Another participant notes that if the core saturates, the inductance becomes nonlinear, resulting in a much larger current surge, which can cause noticeable effects like flickering lights.
  • There is a mention of the transient behavior of RL circuits and how it relates to the inrush current experienced during transformer startup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes of the increased flux during transformer startup, with no consensus reached on whether the phenomenon is primarily due to the phase relationship between voltage and current or the characteristics of the transformer core material.

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Discussions include assumptions about the behavior of magnetic materials and the effects of circuit dynamics during transient conditions, which may not be fully resolved.

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hello,i am se electrical student. I want to know why in a transformer at start up the flux through the core is doubled?
 
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When a transformer is disconnected from a power source, the current is interrupted and the magnetic field or mmf driving flux through the core is reduced to zero. As we have seen in the preceding section, the core retains a residual induction which is called the remanence when the hysteresis path is on the positive descending (negative ascending) branch of a normal loop. In other cases, there could also be a residual induction but it would not have as high a magnitude. In order to drive the core to the zero magnetization state, it would be necessary to gradually lower the peak induction while cycling the field. Since the intrinsic normal hysteresis loops for oriented Si-Fe have fairly flat tops (or bottoms), the remanence is close to the peak induction. However, the presence of gaps in the core reduces this somewhat. When the unit is re-energized by a voltage source, the flux change must match the voltage change according to Faraday’s law. For a sinusoidal voltage source, the flux is also sinusoidal, where øp is the peak flux. Assuming uniform flux density, we have

øp=Bp.Ac

where Ac is the core cross-sectional area. Hence the peak voltage, using w=2пf, where f is the frequency in Hz, is

Vp=2пf.N.Bp.Ac

Thus to follow the voltage change, the induction must change by ± Bp over a cycle. If, in a worst case scenario, the voltage source is turned on when the voltage is at a value which requires a -Bp value and the remanent induction has a positive value of nearly Bp, then the induction will triple to nearly 3 Bp when the voltage reaches a value corresponding to +Bp. Since Bp is usually ~10 to 20 % below saturation in typical power transformers, this means that the core will be driven strongly into saturation, which requires a very high exciting current. This exciting current is called the inrush current and can be many times the normal load current in a transformer.


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djsourabh said:
hello,i am se electrical student. I want to know why in a transformer at start up the flux through the core is doubled?
Normally when a transformer (without load) is running steady state on a sinusoidally varying voltage, the voltage leads the current by 90 degrees (e.g., V = L dI/dt). So during steady state operation, when the voltage is zero, the current is at a negative maximum. But at startup, both the voltage and the current are initially simultaneously zero (i.e., not 90 degrees apart). When the voltage is switched on at a phase where applied voltage is maximum, there is a transient current surge that wants to double the maximum core flux. If the inductance L is a nonlinear function of current, the current surge is worse.

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
When the voltage is switched on at a phase where applied voltage is maximum, there is a transient current surge that wants to double the maximum core flux.

Excuse me my dear friend, I think vice versa the increasing of flux (saturation condition) is origin of inrush magnetizing current, also mentioned phenomenon is related to transformer magnetizing characteristics (core material) not angle difference between voltage and current.

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m.s.j said:
Excuse me my dear friend, I think vice versa the increasing of flux (saturation condition) is origin of inrush magnetizing current, also mentioned phenomenon is related to transformer magnetizing characteristics (core material) not angle difference between voltage and current.
I thought I was careful to state that the "surge that wants to double the maximum core flux". In addition, if the core saturates (i.e., dL/dI is negative), the current surge is much larger. I have one transformer that will often create so much current surge that all the lights in the building flicker when I switch it on.

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
I thought I was careful to state that the "surge that wants to double the maximum core flux".
Bob S

Dear Bob S,

Your description is related to RL circuit transient behavior due to circuit switching in time frame about milliseconds to a seconds which is an electromagnetic phenomenon regardless transformer magnetizing characteristics. As you know inrush current of transformer can be very huge ( up to 14*In ) with several times of mentioned time frame.

Best Regards
m.s.j
 

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