Why Is Medium Acceleration Calculated Using Change in Velocity Over Time?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of medium (average) acceleration in physics, specifically questioning the formula used to calculate it. Participants explore the definitions and implications of using changes in velocity versus changes in acceleration over time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why medium acceleration is defined as the change in velocity over time rather than the change in acceleration. Some participants question the validity of using instantaneous accelerations in the context of average acceleration calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions and calculations related to average acceleration. There is a mix of corrections and clarifications being offered, with some exploring the differences between average and instantaneous values. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on certain points, particularly regarding the interpretation of average acceleration.

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Some participants note potential confusion regarding terminology, such as the use of "medium" instead of "average," and the implications of varying acceleration over time. There is also mention of specific examples and calculations that highlight discrepancies in understanding.

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This I something I always wondered, but never could get my finger into:

##a_m = \frac{v_2-v_1}{t_2-t_1}##


Alright, that's medium acceleration, but why isn't it:

##a_m = \frac{a_2-a_1}{t_2-t_1}##

I mean, it does make perfect sense in my mind. Is it just because it was defined that way?
 
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I have no clue why that would "make perfect sense"! What are "[itex]a_2[/itex]" and "[itex]a_1[/itex]"? Since you are using "a" to represent acceleration, I would assume that they are accelerations at some points but if your formula for acceleration involves knowing them, how would you find those accelerations to begin with?

Also, the units are wrong. In the MKS system acceleration has units of [itex]m/s^2[/itex]. Subtracting two accelerations would give a numerator still in [itex]m/s^2[/itex] but then dividing by time, in seconds would give [itex]m/s^3[/itex] which cannot be equal to acceleration.

Acceleration is defined the "rate of change of speed"- [itex]v_2- v_1[/itex] is a "change in speed" and dividing by time tells how fast that change occurred.

By the way, in English, the phrase is "average acceleration", not "medium. And you may be thinking of the average as "[itex](a_1- a_2)/2[/itex]". Now, that would give the average acceleration over an interval but you typically do not know the acceleration at two different times.
 
Yes. I apologize for my messiness, thanks for correcting my english too, I often write things that sound weird, it's with those corrections that I learn.

Let me be more specific. ##a_2## meant instantaneous acceleration at point two, ##a_1## at point one.

Indeed I meant ##\frac{(a_2+a_2)}{2}##(arithmetic mean) , and it doesn't always give me the average acceleration. That was what I meant by my question, sometimes it gives different answers.

Let me give you an example:
[tex] \\<br /> v(t) = 8 + 5t + \frac{3t^2}{2} \\<br /> a(t) = 5 + 3t \\<br /> <br /> v(t=5) = 70.5 m/s;v(t=0)= 8 m/s \\<br /> a(t=5) = 20 m/s^2;a(t=0) = 5 m/s^2\\ \\ \\<br /> <br /> a_m(\Delta t) = \frac{v(t=5) - v(t=0)}{5-0} = 31.25m/s^2 \\ \\<br /> a_m'(\Delta t) = \frac{20+5}{2} = 12.5 m/s^2[/tex]
 
You calculated am incorrectly. You divided by 2 rather than 5. 62.5/5 = 12.5.

In general, you should not expect the average acceleration to be equal to the arithmetic average of the accelerations at the at the beginning and end of the interval. In this particular case, since the acceleration is varying linearly with time, am = am'.
 

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