Why Is Moment Zero at Any Point if Zero at One Point in Static Equilibrium?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of moment (torque) in static equilibrium, specifically addressing why a moment that is zero at one point implies it is zero at all points. Participants explore the implications of this relationship and seek to understand the underlying principles or theorems that may support this assertion.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a moment (M) being zero at one point (O) should imply it is zero at every point, given that the magnitude and direction of M depend on the chosen point.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical formulation of net torque, showing that the moment calculated about a different reference point (O') leads to the same result under the condition that the resultant force (R) is zero.
  • A third participant summarizes that if the resultant force (R) is zero, then the moment (M) is independent of the reference point, suggesting that both conditions imply equilibrium.
  • A later reply expresses agreement with the previous points, affirming the correctness of the reasoning presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical reasoning that connects the moment and resultant force in static equilibrium, but the initial question about the implications of zero moment at one point remains a point of exploration rather than a settled conclusion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the initial question regarding the theorem or proof that would definitively support the claim that zero moment at one point implies zero moment at all points.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals studying static equilibrium in physics, particularly those interested in the concepts of torque and resultant forces.

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Homework Statement


we know that, every force systems can be generally replaced by a resultant force(R) and a couple(M) at a point O and the position of point O is optional.
but magnitude and direction of M is dependent to this point while magnitude and direction of R is independent.
In static equilibrium R and M are zero at an optional point O. now this is the question:
While M is zero at an optional point O, why should we conclude that M would be zero at every point chosen( infinite in number of points)...please pay attention that " magnitude and direction of M is dependent to the point chosen"...
I mean we don't know the object is in static equilibrium or not and we want to determine it... why do we consider that if M is zero about a point, it means that it is zero about any point? is there a theorem about this? is it provable?

Homework Equations


Static equilibrium conditions.

The Attempt at a Solution


In fact I have no answer to the question...it's not a numerical problem.
 
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Let us suppose net torque (couple M)

M = r1 X F1 +r2 X F2 ...
where ref. point is O

Take another ref point O'
then

M'=(r1 + r) X F1 +(r2 + r )X F2 ...
Simplifying

M' = r1 X F1 +r2 X F2 ... + r X ( F1 + F2 ...)
However F=F1 + F2 ... =0
Hence M=M'
 
The above can be compactly phrased this way: if R = 0, then M is independent of O. So R = 0 and M = 0 about any O imply equilibrium.
 
Thank You all...that's right...
 

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