Why Is Para Nitro Phenol More Acidic Than Ortho Nitro Phenol?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the acidity of para nitro phenol compared to ortho nitro phenol, specifically exploring the reasons behind the differences in acidity between these compounds. The context includes theoretical considerations and chemical bonding interactions, particularly focusing on intramolecular hydrogen bonding.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that para nitro phenol is more acidic than ortho nitro phenol due to intramolecular hydrogen bonding in the para compound.
  • Another participant suggests that drawing out all the bonds in ortho nitro benzoic acid and ortho nitro phenol may clarify the intramolecular hydrogen bonding situation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the explanation and requests further clarification on the bonding interactions.
  • There is a mention of an unwanted negative charge in ortho nitro benzoic acid that may complicate its acidity compared to ortho nitro phenol.
  • Another participant advises considering bond angles and drawing the O-H bond to understand the bonding issues better.
  • One participant recommends using a model kit to visualize the structures and bonding more effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of acidity differences, as there is ongoing confusion and requests for clarification regarding the bonding interactions in the compounds discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of intramolecular hydrogen bonding and structural considerations, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the specific effects of these interactions on acidity.

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Homework Statement


In
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is more acidic than
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but In
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(para nitro phenol) is more acidic than
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(ortho nitro phenol) why?

Homework Equations


in ortho nitro benzoic acid due to -I and -M effect it is more acidic than it's para species (-I effect more in ortho position) .

The Attempt at a Solution


In the latter compounds, due to intra molecular H-bonding, para compound is more acidic than that of the ortho compound. my doubt is in ortho nitro benzoic acid, isn't there any intra molecular H-bonding cause a carboxylic acid can form H-bonding so does the nitro compound. please solve my query :/[/B]
 
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For o-nitro benzoic acid and o-nitro phenol, try drawing out all the bonds (including N-O and O-H bonds) to see what the intramolecular hydrogen bonding looks like. You may see a problem with o-nitrobenzoic acid but not o-nitro phenol.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
For o-nitro benzoic acid and o-nitro phenol, try drawing out all the bonds (including N-O and O-H bonds) to see what the intramolecular hydrogen bonding looks like. You may see a problem with o-nitrobenzoic acid but not o-nitro phenol.
sorry i don't understand..please explain further :/
 
Have you tried to draw what Ygg suggested?
 
Borek said:
Have you tried to draw what Ygg suggested?
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ok..this ortho nitro benzoic acid. there is this unwanted -ve sign here.
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where as here in ortho nitro phenol, it could easily form intramolecular H-bonding...sorry! still, i didnt get the point! do explain me! it would be of great help :)
 
For the nitro benzoic acid, draw the O-H bond. Also, keep in mind the preferred angles for each bond. You should see the problem.

If you're still not getting it, try building a model of you have a model kit.
 

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