Difference between the acid strength of inorganic and organic acids

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences in acid strength between inorganic acids and organic acids, particularly focusing on the influence of substituents on carboxylic acids. Participants explore concepts related to electronegativity, inductive effects, and the stability of conjugate bases.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that HCl is a stronger acid than HF but questions why a carboxylic acid with a Cl substituent is weaker than one with a F substituent.
  • Another participant suggests that the acidic strength can be assessed by examining the stability of the conjugate base, indicating that F has a stronger inductive effect than Cl, which stabilizes the conjugate base.
  • A participant presents a trend in acid strength based on the atom directly bonded to the acidic hydrogen, providing examples of various acids and their strengths.
  • It is mentioned that the trend in acid strength also depends on the stability of the conjugate base, with a more stable conjugate base correlating to a stronger acid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing acid strength, particularly regarding the effects of substituents and the stability of conjugate bases. No consensus is reached on the overall trends or specific comparisons.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of acid strength and the role of electronegativity are not explicitly stated. The discussion also highlights the complexity of comparing inorganic and organic acids without resolving the underlying factors.

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Homework Statement



Hi. I'm pretty much a beginner in organic chemistry and I'm just wondering something.

For example, I know that HCl is a stronger acid than HF.

But... then why the following happens if a have an organic acid (e.g a carboxylic acid)?

According to what I see, a carboxylic acid with a Cl substitutent is weaker than one with a F substituent.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I also know that because of electronegativity the difference between H and F is higher than that of H and Cl. So, that means that the bond between H and F is stronger, and therefore, the compoud is weaker ... am I right?
 
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All Organic acids are weak acid (Generally). To determine the acidic strength, try forming their conjugate base on paper. Check their stability.

For F and Cl substituted Carboxylic acid, F exerts its inductive effect more than Cl, so it stabilizes the conjugate base by shifting the negative charge from -COO group to a wider area.
 
There is a huge difference in the trend in acid strength if we are looking at the atom directly bonded to the acidic hydrogen, or a more remote atom.
For directly bonded atoms:
HI > HBr > HCl > HF
H2Se > H2S > H2O

For more remote atoms:
HONO2 > HOPO2
HOSO2OH > HOSeO2OH

Organic acids also follow this latter trend:

CH2F.COOH > CH2Cl.COOH > CH3.COOH
 
The trend depends majorly on the stability of conjugate base. The better the CB is able to handle the negative charge on itself, the more acidic the acid. Simple Enough.
 

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