Why Is Pressure in Fluids Considered Perpendicular to Surfaces?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of pressure in fluids, specifically why pressure forces are considered to act perpendicular to surfaces. Participants explore the implications of this concept in various contexts, including curved surfaces and the nature of pressure as a tensorial quantity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the reasoning behind the perpendicular nature of pressure forces and seek clarification on how this applies to curved surfaces. There is also a discussion about the isotropic nature of pressure and its representation as a tensor.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical representation of pressure as a tensor and its implications for understanding pressure forces. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the foundational concepts, with requests for further explanation and clarification ongoing.

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Participants are navigating the transition from viewing pressure as a scalar to understanding it as a tensorial quantity, which introduces complexity in the discussion. There are indications of varying levels of familiarity with these concepts among participants.

sumit saurav
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why the forces in pressure always taken perpendicular?
and if they are taken then to which direction?
and what about presure on a curved plane?
 
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If a ball bounces off a wall with a perfect elastic collision then the change of momentum of the ball is perpendicular to the wall at the point of collision. Thus the force exerted on the wall is perpendicular to the wall. In a simple mechanical model pressure is the force resulting from many such collisions by gas atoms or molecules with random angles of incidence.
 
how does it explains us taking perpendicular direction as
 
sumit saurav said:
how does it explains us taking perpendicular direction as
Are you familiar with the concept that pressure is an isotropic tensor?

Chet
 
nope could you explain?
 
sumit saurav said:
nope could you explain?
We usually start out by learning that pressure is force per unit area, and is a scalar. As we progress, we later learn that pressure is not a scalar, but actually a tensorial quantity, equal to the isotropic (not direction-dependent) part of the more general stress tensor. We sometimes use matrix notation to describe the components of a tensor. For any orthogonal coordinate system, the pressure portion of the stress tensor is represented by:
[tex]\left(\begin {array}{ccc}p&0&0\\0&p&0\\0&0&p\end {array}\right)[/tex]
We can obtain the pressure force per unit area acting on a surface oriented in an arbitrary direction in space by dotting the pressure tensor with a unit normal to the surface:
[tex]\left(\begin {array}{ccc}p&0&0\\0&p&0\\0&0&p\end {array}\right)\left(\begin {array}{c}n_x\\n_y\\n_z\end{array}\right)=\left(\begin {array}{c}pn_x\\pn_y\\pn_z\end{array}\right)=p\left(\begin {array}{c}n_x\\n_y\\n_z\end{array}\right)[/tex]
Note that, with this mathematical representation, the pressure force per unit area is automatically delivered as a vector with magnitude p and direction normal to the surface.

Chet
 

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