Why is tension present in the rope?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tension in a rope connecting two bodies moving with a common acceleration on a frictionless surface. Participants explore the forces acting on the bodies and the necessity of tension in the string under the given conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant assumes that since the bodies are connected, they should have a common acceleration, questioning the existence of force F acting on body B.
  • Another participant asserts that force F is necessary to accelerate body A, indicating that A is not in equilibrium.
  • A participant agrees that the force is a pull on the string by A but questions the need for a force acting to the left of body A, given the assumptions of no friction or drag.
  • Inertia is mentioned as a factor that needs to be considered for both objects, not just A.
  • One participant suggests thinking of the force as mg acting on the combined mass of both bodies, although this does not explain the tension in the string.
  • Another participant states that tension exists because mass m2 is being accelerated at the calculated rate, referencing the equation F = mA.
  • A suggestion is made to draw free body diagrams for the two masses and to write down the force balance equations derived from them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and origin of the tension in the rope, with no consensus reached on the explanation of force F or the role of friction and drag.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume a frictionless surface and the absence of drag, which may limit the applicability of their arguments. The discussion also involves unresolved questions about the force balance equations and free body diagrams.

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These is my problem
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Assuming the surface on which A rests is frictionless and there is no drag on either of the bodies as they move at common acceleration.

Correct me if I’m wrong, I think the bodies should have a common acceleration since they’re connected

Why does F? exist??, I know that F? is exerted on the body B such that the net force on B downwards is less than mg but what is causing this force?, Looks to me like this force is a pull on the string by A but I don’t think there is any force acting to the left of body A besides friction and drag which I have assumed to be non-existent.

I would be grateful on getting well explained answer...Help me guys.
 
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Even if there is no force pulling to the left on A, the force F is still necessary to accelerate A. (A is not in equilibrium).

Chet
 
Churchill Tech said:
Looks to me like this force is a pull on the string by A
Yes. Both A and B exert forces on the string equal to F.

Churchill Tech said:
but I don’t think there is any force acting to the left of body A besides friction and drag which I have assumed to be non-existent.
Why would you need a force to the left of A?
 
Inertia.

Which, by the way, you need to consider for both objects, not just A.
 
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Perhaps the easiest way to approach this is to think in terms of the Force being mg and that this force acts on the combined mass m+m2.
 
sophiecentaur said:
Perhaps the easiest way to approach this is to think in terms of the Force being mg and that this force acts on the combined mass m+m2.
But that won't explain the tension in the string.
 
The tension would be there because the mass m2 is being accelerated at the rate that was just calculated. F = mA again
 
Suppose F is the tension in the string. Have you drawn free body diagrams on the two masses? Please write down the force balance equation you obtained from these free body diagrams for each of the masses.

Chet
 

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