Why is ##\text{flux} = \pi\text{intensity}##

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and interpretation of the equation for flux from a sphere of uniform brightness, specifically the relationship ##F = \pi B##. Participants are examining the validity of the derivation, the conditions under which it holds, and the physical meaning of the result.

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  • Participants explore the validity of the approximation made in the derivation when ##r = R##, questioning the geometric interpretation of the triangles involved. There is also discussion about the physical interpretation of the flux equation and why it does not yield ##F = 2\pi B## instead.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions and clarifying geometric relationships. Some have acknowledged misunderstandings about the triangles involved, while others are contemplating the implications of the flux equation and its interpretation.

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Participants are navigating through potential misconceptions regarding the geometry of the problem and the isotropic nature of the radiation emitted from the sphere. There is an ongoing exploration of how these factors influence the derived equations.

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Textbook Derivation
Flux at an arbitrary distance from a sphere of uniform brightness ##B## (that is, all rays leaving the sphere have the same brightness). Such a sphere is clearly an isotropic source. At ##P##, the specific intensity is ##B## if the ray intersects the sphere and zero otherwise (see Fig. 1.6). Then,
$$
F=\int I \cos \theta d \Omega=B \int_{0}^{2 \pi} d \phi \int_{0}^{\theta_{c}} \sin \theta \cos \theta d \theta
$$
where ##\theta_{c}=\sin ^{-1} R / r## is the angle at which a ray from ##P## is tangent to the sphere. It follows that
$$
F=\pi B\left(1-\cos ^{2} \theta_{c}\right)=\pi B \sin ^{2} \theta_{c}
$$
or
$$
F=\pi B\left(\frac{R}{r}\right)^{2}
$$

Setting ##r=R:##
$$
F=\pi B
$$
That is, the flux at a surface of uniform brightness ##B## is simply ##\pi B##.

My worries
1. How is the equation valid when ##r=R##? The author made an approximation that ##\theta_{c}=\sin ^{-1} R / r##, and r is not the hypotenuse of the triangle, hence the approximation is only valid when ##r >> R## or ##\text{leg} \approx hypotenuse##. Rather, r is a leg. In this case, doesn't the approximation fail and vitiate the result that ##F=\pi B##?

2. Actually, which case does ##r=R## refer to? Diagram 2 or 3 below?

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3. Is there a physical interpretation/explanation for ##F=\pi B##? The way I would think of it is that ##\pi## represents the patch of the sphere where the point resides (it is 1/4 of the whole sphere) and that this whole patch contributes to the flux at that point.
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yucheng said:
r is not the hypothenuse of the triangle
Looks like the hypotenuse to me.
You must have the wrong triangle.
The R is from the sphere's centre to where the tangent from P touches the sphere. It makes a right angle to that tangent, not to r.
 
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haruspex said:
Looks like the hypotenuse to me.
You must have the wrong triangle.
The R is from the sphere's centre to where the tangent from P touches the sphere. It makes a right angle to that tangent, not to r.
Oops, wrong triangle indeed. So when ##r \to R##? So it does become like figure 3 (In the second thumbnail), albeit a different orientation. Ah I see it. Thanks! But the interpretation of ##F = \pi B##?
 
yucheng said:
But the interpretation of ##F = \pi B##?
I'm not sure why it doesn't turn out to be ##F = 2\pi B##. On reaching the sphere, the sphere occupies one half of what can be seen from P, so that should be a solid angle of ##2\pi##.
Need to think about it some more.
 
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haruspex said:
I'm not sure why it doesn't turn out to be ##F = 2\pi B##. On reaching the sphere, the sphere occupies one half of what can be seen from P, so that should be a solid angle of ##2\pi##.
Need to think about it some more.
Let ##B_v## be the intensity (##\text{flux} \; \text{rad}^{-1} Hz^{-1}##)

However, the amount of radiation emitted is not isotropic. It depends on the angle from the normal of the surface (or projected surface).

$$F_v = \int B_v \cos{\theta} \, d\Omega =\int^{2\pi}_{0} \int^{ \pi}_{0} B_v \cos {\theta} \sin{\theta} \, d\theta \, d\phi = \pi B_v $$

I guess this makes sense, that F is not ##4\pi B##, nor is it ##2\pi B##
 

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