Why is the distance squared in Newton's and Coulomb's inverse square laws?

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The discussion revolves around the reasoning behind the inverse square nature of Newton's law of universal gravitation and Coulomb's law. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual foundations of these laws, focusing on the implications of distance squared in the equations.

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  • One participant questions why the force in both Newton's and Coulomb's laws is inversely proportional to the square of the distance.
  • Another participant suggests that the force can be visualized as lines radiating from a point source, with the density of these lines decreasing with distance, leading to a weaker force as distance increases.
  • A different participant introduces a more complex explanation involving the mathematical structure of space-time, emphasizing the isotropy and homogeneity of space and how these principles lead to the form of the equations governing forces.
  • A later reply seeks to simplify the explanation, proposing that as distance increases, the force acts over a larger area, resulting in a weaker effect due to the distribution of force over that area.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and acceptance of the explanations provided. There is no consensus on a single explanation, as some prefer the geometric interpretation while others lean towards the mathematical framework.

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Some explanations rely on assumptions about the nature of force lines and the properties of space-time, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved in the discussion.

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Why are Newtons law of universal gravitation,

[itex]F=G\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]

and Coulombs law,

[itex]F = K_{e}\frac{q_{1}q_{2}}{r^{2}}[/itex]

inverse square laws? I understand why they are inverse because the force decreases with distance but why is the distance, r, squared?

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In gravitation and electricity the force can be represented by lines radiating from a point in 3 dimensions. If you can accept that the strength of the force is something to do with the number of lines passing through a square metre then as distance increases the number of lines per square metre decreases and the force weakens. The surface through which all the lines pass is a sphere (if a point source) and the surface area is proportional to r^2 therefore the number of lines per square metre decreases as 1/r^2.
This simplified explanation assumes that the lines are not absorbed or stopped in any way (true for gravity but less true for electrical lines)
hope this helps
 
This is a quite deep question about the physical laws. The answer is the mathematical structure of space-time. The laws you are looking at are all in the approximation of Newtonian mechanics or the special theory of relativity. In both space-time models, there always exists (by assumption!) at least one frame of reference, where the special principle of relativity, i.e., the principle of inertia is valid, i.e., a force-free particle always moves in straight lines or stays at rest. In addition, for any inertial observer, i.e., an observer who is at rest relatively to such an inertial frame, space is described by a Euclidean space.
Particularly space is symmetric under arbitrary rotations around any point (isotropy of space, i.e., no direction in space is special). It is also homogeneous, i.e., it's invariant under translations: There's no special place in space. This means that on a fundamental level all laws of nature must be described by equations that are consistent with homogeneity and isotropy of space.

Another very successful concept of physics is the description of forces by local fiel equations, and if you work out the very equations that obey the above mentioned symmetry principles you come to quite simple general forms of such equations. One such equation is Laplace's or Poisson's equation,

[tex]\Delta \Phi(\vec{x})=-\rho(\vec{x}).[/tex]

It's fundamental solution reads

[tex]\Phi(\vec{x})=\int \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}' \frac{\rho(\vec{x}')}{4 \pi |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}.[/tex]

Particularly, if the source term on the right-hand side is taken as a pointlike unstructured object at the origin of the coordinate system, you get

[tex]\Phi(\vec{x})=\frac{Q}{4 \pi |\vec{x}|}.[/tex]

The corresponding vector field, describing the forces is given by the gradient, and this leads to radial forces which decrease with the square of the distance,

[tex]\vec{F}=-\vec{\nabla} \Phi=\frac{Q}{4 \pi} \frac{\vec{x}}{|\vec{x}|^3}.[/tex]
 
Thanks technician and vanhees71.

I think I understand it now, maybe not the mathematical reason as vanhees presented.

Would it be fair to say that in laymans terms as the distance increases the force is acting over a larger area so therefore its weaker because there is less force acting upon a given area?
 

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