Pressure of Sound Wave: Inverse Distance Law

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the pressure of sound waves and their intensity, particularly focusing on the inverse distance law and the inverse square law. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of these relationships, questioning why sound pressure behaves differently compared to other physical phenomena, such as gravitational and electric forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while intensity of sound waves follows the inverse square law due to the increase in spherical area, the pressure is said to follow an inverse distance law, which raises questions about the consistency of these principles.
  • Another participant asserts that for spherical waves, amplitude decreases as 1/r and intensity as 1/r^2, and questions the uniqueness of pressure in sound waves, stating that intensity is proportional to the square of pressure.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in explaining why amplitude decreases with 1/r from first principles, despite understanding the power density's relation to the inverse square law.
  • One participant proposes that energy carried across spherical surfaces must remain constant, leading to a proportional relationship between mean force, mean displacement, and the inverse square radius, suggesting that both pressure and particle displacement should follow 1/r.
  • Another participant reiterates the previous point about energy density and questions how to derive the 1/r amplitude law without starting from intensity, while also comparing it to the behavior of electric field strength in electromagnetic waves versus charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between sound wave pressure and intensity, with no consensus reached on the underlying principles or the derivation of the amplitude law.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the challenge of deriving amplitude behavior from intensity without clear first principles, indicating a potential gap in understanding or assumptions that may not be explicitly stated.

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It is not difficult to imagine why the intensity of a sound wave would follow inverse square law, as the spherical area increases as square of radius, all point sources of gravity, electrostatics and many more sources of energy follow the same law. When you think of Newtonian gravitational force or electric force, all the formulae are classically parallel. What stands out, and therefore troubles me, is that the pressure of a wave, such as sound wave is said to follow a different proportionality, that of inverse distance law. That is the law followed by the energy terms because of integration, but they say that incase of sound, the intensity term follows inverse square while the pressure follows r^(-1) which is the whole thing in reverse connection. Being a man of science does come along with a man of doubt.
 
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For any spherical wave the amplitude decreases as 1/r and intensity as 1/r^2.
Why do you think there is something special about pressure in a sound wave? Intensity is proportional to pressure squared.
 
nasu said:
For any spherical wave the amplitude decreases as 1/r and intensity as 1/r^2.
Why do you think there is something special about pressure in a sound wave? Intensity is proportional to pressure squared.
Can you qualitatively explain for a person with the brain of a five year old why amplitude follows 1/r? Many thanks.
 
I don't think I can and I don't think there is any point in trying. At that age you are interested in other things.:)
 
nasu said:
I don't think I can and I don't think there is any point in trying. At that age you are interested in other things.:)
Thank you very much for that. My problem is that I always think of the power density falling with the inverse square law, then derive the amplitude from that. But I cannot seem to explain to myself from first principles why the amplitude falls with 1/r. It is clearly important, because it distinguishes the radiation fields of an antenna from the induction fields.
 
Let's think this way. The energy is being carried across the spherical surface and has to be same across all spheres, so density prop to inverse square radius. The oscillator pressure or force is proportional to mean particle displacement, so across all spheres, the mean force and mean displacement must follow the same proportionality. The product yields 1/r^2, the two equal variables yielding a product 1/r^2 has to be 1/r and 1/r, so both pressure and particle displacement proportional to 1/r, whose product is energy flux.
 
vin300 said:
Let's think this way. The energy is being carried across the spherical surface and has to be same across all spheres, so density prop to inverse square radius. The oscillator pressure or force is proportional to mean particle displacement, so across all spheres, the mean force and mean displacement must follow the same proportionality. The product yields 1/r^2, the two equal variables yielding a product 1/r^2 has to be 1/r and 1/r, so both pressure and particle displacement proportional to 1/r, whose product is energy flux.
I think this re-states the answer given by Nasu in post no. 2, which was suggesting that the intensity should be obtained by squaring the amplitude. But how does one obtain the 1/r amplitude law without starting from intensity? And further to that, at a simple level, and not deriving it from intensity, why does the electric field strength of an EM wave fall as 1/r whilst that of a charge falls as 1/r^2?
 

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