Why is the pulse in picture 20130320182307.png positively chirped?

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of positively chirped laser pulses, specifically addressing the nature of frequency changes over time and the implications for pulse composition. Participants explore concepts related to femtosecond laser pulses, their frequency content, and the definition of central frequency.

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  • Some participants inquire why, in a positively chirped pulse, higher frequencies appear later than lower frequencies, suggesting a contradiction with plotted data.
  • It is noted that a pulse must contain many frequencies, as only continuous waves can be monochromatic, and the shorter the pulse, the wider the frequency range.
  • Participants discuss the definition of a positive chirp in terms of frequency change over time, with some providing mathematical representations.
  • Questions arise about how to measure the central frequency of a laser pulse, with some participants indicating a lack of experimental expertise.
  • There is a discussion about the representation of the electric field of a pulse and the confusion regarding the presence of multiple frequencies versus a single frequency.
  • One participant explains that the time-dependent amplitude of the field leads to a broadened frequency spectrum, centered around the central frequency.
  • A suggestion is made to use graphing software to visualize the effects of adding multiple sine waves to understand pulse narrowing.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts of chirped pulses and central frequency, with some points of confusion remaining unresolved. There is no consensus on the specific implications of the chirp or the measurement of central frequency.

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Some participants express confusion over mathematical representations and the definitions of terms used, indicating potential limitations in understanding the underlying concepts.

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why the pulse is positively chirped pulse in picture 20130320182307.png ? thank you!
I also confused by another picture(20130320183049.png ).Does a femtosecond laser pulse contain a lot of wavelength?if so, a pulse should contains photons which have different energy. why we always say Ti:sappire laser is 800nm?thank you!
 

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In a positive chirped pulse, the frequency increases as a function of time, such that a high frequency should lag behind a low, which seems to be contrary to what is plotted.

A pulse must contain many frequencies (only a continuous wave can be strictly monochromatic). And the shorter the pulse, the wider the frequency range, which can be seen by taking the Fourier transform. By the way, pulses where the frequency range is the narrowest possible are called "transform limited", but unless special care is taken in producing the pulses, the frequency range will be wider than the minimum.

When a specific wavelength is quote, it usually refers to the central frequency of the laser pulse.
 
DrClaude said:
In a positive chirped pulse, the frequency increases as a function of time, such that a high frequency should lag behind a low, which seems to be contrary to what is plotted.

A pulse must contain many frequencies (only a continuous wave can be strictly monochromatic). And the shorter the pulse, the wider the frequency range, which can be seen by taking the Fourier transform. By the way, pulses where the frequency range is the narrowest possible are called "transform limited", but unless special care is taken in producing the pulses, the frequency range will be wider than the minimum.

When a specific wavelength is quote, it usually refers to the central frequency of the laser pulse.

thank you for your answers! 1.why when a pulse is positive chirped, the high frequency should lag behind a low!
2.how to get the central frequency of a laser pulse?
thank you!
 
einstein1921 said:
1.why when a pulse is positive chirped, the high frequency should lag behind a low!
Writing the laser as a classical electromagnetic wave, a chirped pulse behaves as
<br /> \propto \cos(\omega(t) t)<br />
A positive chirp would be defined as
<br /> \frac{d \omega}{dt} &gt; 0<br />
Therefore, highier frequencies appear later.

einstein1921 said:
2.how to get the central frequency of a laser pulse?
Do you mean how to measure it? I will leave that to more knowledgeable people (I'm not an experimentalist).
 
DrClaude said:
Writing the laser as a classical electromagnetic wave, a chirped pulse behaves as
<br /> \propto \cos(\omega(t) t)<br />
A positive chirp would be defined as
<br /> \frac{d \omega}{dt} &gt; 0<br />
Therefore, highier frequencies appear later.


Do you mean how to measure it? I will leave that to more knowledgeable people (I'm not an experimentalist).

thank you,sir! the formule you typed display as \propto \cos(\omega(t) t) , so I can't read them correctly!Can you type them again!
 
einstein1921 said:
thank you,sir! the formule you typed display as \propto \cos(\omega(t) t) , so I can't read them correctly!Can you type them again!

Funny, comes out fine on my screen.

proportional to cos(ω(t) t)
 
DrClaude said:
Funny, comes out fine on my screen.

proportional to cos(ω(t) t)

we often represent the field of pulse:E(t)=Af(t)cos(wt),where f(t) is envelope.so it seems that there is only one frequency w. I know this is wrong, but I can't understand where are other frequencies. in picture 2 ,there are many frequency ,which one is central frequency? thank you!
 
einstein1921 said:
we often represent the field of pulse:E(t)=Af(t)cos(wt),where f(t) is envelope.so it seems that there is only one frequency w. I know this is wrong, but I can't understand where are other frequencies. in picture 2 ,there are many frequency ,which one is central frequency? thank you!

The other frequencies appear because the amplitude of the field is time dependent. Here, ω is the central frequency. But if you Fourier transform f(t) cos(ω t), you will find that the frequency spectrum is broaden by the presence of the envelope. In other words, if you had E(t) = A cos(ω t), the frequency spectrum would be a single line (delta function) at frequency ω. With the presence of f(t), this line is broaden into a wider peak, centered on ω (hence the name central frequency). The narrower the time domain of f(t), the wider the frequency range.

Hope this helps.
 
It is an interesting exercise to open some graphing software like MATLAB and plot a sine wave. Then add another sine wave with slightly different frequency and plot again. Continue to add more waves and observe what happens to the signal. You'll see that the more frequencies you add, the narrower the pulse becomes.
 

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