Why is the "replacement fertility rate" not exactly 2?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the "replacement fertility rate" and why it is not exactly 2. Participants explore the mathematical and biological factors that contribute to this rate, including survivorship and mortality rates, and how these factors vary across different populations and species.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek a mathematical explanation for why the replacement fertility rate is above 2, noting that not all live births survive to adulthood.
  • One participant references the Type I survivorship curve to explain mortality rates affecting fertility rates.
  • Another participant highlights the need for explicit definitions, noting that the concept of replacement fertility may differ across species, such as humans versus fish or trees.
  • There is mention of the UN Population Division's definition of replacement-level fertility, which suggests a TFR of about 2.1 for industrialized countries, influenced by maternal and child mortality rates.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of higher mortality rates in developing countries, which lead to higher replacement fertility rates ranging from 2.5 to 3.3.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the definition of "fertility rate," suggesting it should account for women who do not survive to motherhood.
  • Discussion includes the male-to-female birth ratio and its potential impact on the number of children needed to ensure population replacement.
  • One participant introduces the concept of fecundity as potentially relevant to the discussion.
  • There is acknowledgment that the number 2.1 is somewhat arbitrary and variable across populations, suggesting that additional pregnancies may be required as the number increases.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact reasons for the replacement fertility rate being above 2, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of fertility rates across species, the influence of mortality rates, and the assumptions made about survivorship in the calculations of replacement fertility.

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I've never understood this, and although I've had commenters give *qualitative* reasons, I'd like to get the raw mathematics on exactly this is so.
 
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Hi swampwiz:

Noun1.fertility rate - the ratio of live births in an area to the population of that area; expressed per 1000 population per year
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/FERTILITY+RATE

Not all live birth babies survive to have children of their own.

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Buzz
 
Unless we know what you are talking about this topic has multiple answers. We need an explicit definition.

The reply above assumed humans. Other mammals can be similar.
Humans:
Which have 105:100 male female birth ratios and differential suvivorship which is gender dependent.
This is not true for fish, for example. Or Elm trees.
 
Hi swampwiz :

I found another Wikipedia definition that perhaps presents a clearer explanation.

Replacement fertility is the total fertility rate at which women give birth to enough babies to sustain population levels. According to the UN Population Division, a total fertility rate (TFR) of about 2.1 children per woman is called replacement-level fertility. If replacement level fertility is sustained over a sufficiently long period, each generation will exactly replace itself. The replacement level of TFR is dependent also on maternal mortality and child mortality, and, as such, it is higher in underdeveloped countries. The replacement fertility rate is indeed only slightly above 2.0 births per woman for most industrialized countries (2.075 in the UK, for example), but ranges from 2.5 to 3.3 in developing countries because of higher mortality rates, especially child mortality.​

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Buzz
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
but ranges from 2.5 to 3.3 in developing countries because of higher mortality rates, especially child mortality
Oh, that is sad. It means roughly that out of every 3 kids one will die before adulthood
 
It would seem that the pre-motherhood mortality would be included in the fertility rate.

Perhaps my understanding of "fertility rate" is wrong, but I would imagine that it means "how many children does every woman eventually have". So a woman that dies before being of motherhood age would count the same as a childless woman that lives to a ripe old age.

I could see how a male/female birth ratio not being 1 could skew this. My understanding is that there are typically 1.06 males per females on average, so that would mean that 2.06 total children would produce a single female, and so the fertility rate would need to be ( 1 + X ) where X is this male-to-female ratio.
 
swampwiz said:
Perhaps my understanding of "fertility rate" is wrong, but I would imagine that it means "how many children does every woman eventually have". So a woman that dies before being of motherhood age would count the same as a childless woman that lives to a ripe old age.
It assumes that the woman survives until the end of her reproductive life.
 
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Consider the math behind Cohort Life Tables (How you generate survivorship)
http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gross/bioed/bealsmodules/lifetables.html

The link is for a plant species. The same arithmetic operations are done for every species for which this data is known.

Excel with human data - link: Notice the first few years (<5 y/a) of increase mortality.


The term you are defining above is fecundity, I think. Try that in a search.

Anyway, the number 2.1 is somewhat arbitrary and variable across populations. Which is why I asked for a citation. As the number goes above 2.1, it requires additional pregnancies.
 

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