Why is the speed of light a constant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of the speed of light, particularly why it is considered a constant and what factors it may depend on. Participants explore theoretical implications, potential variations in different gravitational contexts, and the relationship between the speed of light and fundamental constants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what the speed of light depends on and whether it is truly constant in different regions of the galaxy.
  • Others argue that the speed of light is consistent with observations and is derived from the laws of electrodynamics, suggesting that any variation would imply a change in those laws.
  • A participant speculates that if dark matter does not exist, then gravity and spacetime might influence the speed of light, potentially varying it based on location within a galaxy.
  • There are discussions about the implications of the speed of light being a choice of units, with some asserting that the value itself is what needs explanation rather than the units.
  • Some participants emphasize the invariance of the speed of light, stating that it cannot vary based on location, while others challenge this notion by suggesting that measurement may depend on unknown factors.
  • The fine structure constant is mentioned as a related concept, with some participants suggesting that questions about the speed of light may actually pertain more to this constant.
  • Concerns are raised about the fundamental nature of constants like permittivity and permeability of vacuum, questioning why they have the values they do.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the invariance of the speed of light while others propose that it may depend on factors not yet understood. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental reasons behind the values of constants and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the nature of spacetime and gravitational effects on measurements. There is also an emphasis on the need for clarity around the distinction between the speed of light as a constant and the units used to measure it.

  • #31
Vanadium 50 said:
Why are there exactly 12 inches in a foot?

Could this number be different in the center of the galaxy?
Again, I was not asking about 12 inches in a foot.

But why is the value what it is and could it be something behind the value, something that determines our measurement of it, something that causes light to have that speed? It would be the same as I asked why the speed of light is not twice what we measure or a half, but exactly what we measure and how do we know that its the same value across the galaxy.

Its quite a different question.
 
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  • #32
Ibix said:
You guess wrong. Nothing physical has changed because you specified ##\alpha## not to have changed. All you have done is changed your units.

This has nothing to do with the speed of light. People have produced various modified gravity models, some of which have been quite successful on the galactic scale. However, none has come close to predicting any cosmological measurement, as far as I'm aware, so they remain less well thought of than dark matter.

Gravity is modeled as spacetime curvature, not density. I'm not aware of any formal mathematical model that uses "density of spacetime".
"Density of spacetime" is in quotes.. I wouldn't know how different to call it. Maybe different excitation of a field that gives particles a mass. I am not a physicist.
 
  • #33
Mohika said:
Its quite a different question.
It really isn't, as we've explained several times. ##\alpha## having a different value would have consequences, but active searching has not found any evidence for it. ##c## having a different value is just a unit change - very much like changing the number of inches in a foot.
 
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  • #35
Mohika said:
Again, I was not asking about 12 inches in a foot.

But why is the value what it is and could it be something behind the value, something that determines our measurement of it, something that causes light to have that speed? It would be the same as I asked why the speed of light is not twice what we measure or a half, but exactly what we measure and how do we know that its the same value across the galaxy.

Its quite a different question.
We are just going in circles here. We have already answered this question. Repeatedly.

Here is a good overview of the topic from John Baez: https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/constants.html

The dimensionful parameters, like c, or h, or e, do not tell us about physics, they tell us about our units. There is no physical meaning to their values beyond describing our units. The physically meaningful parameters are the dimensionless ones, like the fine structure constant.

This thread will remain closed. Once you have fully internalized the above, please feel free to open a new thread to discuss variations in the fine structure constant or other dimensionless parameters.
 
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