Why is the speed of light slower in substances compared to a vacuum?

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The discussion centers on the reasons why the speed of light is slower in certain substances compared to a vacuum. Participants explore various explanations, including atomic structure and interactions between photons and the medium, as well as the implications of these interactions on the propagation of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why light slows down in substances despite atoms being mostly empty, suggesting possible interactions with atomic nuclei or re-emission processes.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the role of phonons in explaining the phenomenon and raises questions about their nature and relevance.
  • A participant references Feynman's explanation, proposing that light can be viewed as many photons or waves interacting with the medium, leading to a new wave propagating at a different speed.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of photon behavior, including scenarios where photons may be absorbed and re-emitted versus passing through without interaction, contributing to an overall delay.
  • There is a request for clarification on the statistical nature of absorption and emission delays and whether the final slowdown effect is meaningful without considering a statistically significant number of photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and questions regarding the mechanisms behind the slowing of light in different media. No consensus is reached, and multiple competing explanations and interpretations remain under discussion.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the interactions between light and matter, noting that the discussion involves assumptions about photon behavior and the statistical nature of light propagation in different media.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, photonics, or the fundamental principles of light-matter interactions, as well as individuals curious about the underlying mechanisms affecting the speed of light in various substances.

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Why is the speed of light slower in certain substances than in a vacuum. Since most of the atoms is empty, shouldn't the speed be the same? Is it because photons bounce off the nucleus, or because they get re-emitted?
 
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thanks!
 
jtbell said:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=511177

If you have further questions, feel free to ask... this is just to get you started.

(not the original poster)
Thank's, that was interesting... but it sort of lead to more questions than answers (do we need phonons to explain the phenomenon ? what are phonons ? and anyway.. what happens ?)
This is something I have been wondering about myself for a while and hence my hijacking of the thread.
I got sort of satisfied with Feynman's take on explaining it as long as considering light as many many many photons (or better said as a wave) exciting the medium and ultimately interefering with its offspring (so to speak) so as to generate a new wave that does look like a wave propagating at a different speed. this explanation is satisfying both qualitatively and quantitatively.
but it is not all that clear if we want to get down enough and just talk about 'one photon'
It looks like your linked post adresses this precise case but it is not clear enough for me. I interpret it like this:
-> in some conditions the photon will be absorbed and reemitted (delay)
-> in some others the photon will just get through
-> overall the photon will be slowed down
I'm not sure I interpreted this correctly but I'd like to be corrected on the interpretation, and above all, I would really appreciate if the correction (or confirmation) could come with quantitative arguments.
exactly what is supposed to be the absoption/emition delay ? is it statistically confined but overall unknowable ? is the final slowdown effect meaningless without statistivally meaningful quantities of photons ? (this is what I currently suppose but I just imagine this is so and would very much apreciate a confirmation just as well as a correction of it with some good explanations :))
thanks again.
 
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