Why is the superposition principle valid here?

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The discussion centers on the application of the superposition principle in calculating electric fields for a system involving a negatively charged sphere and a positive point charge. It highlights the confusion regarding the validity of considering the electric field contributions from both a wholly negatively charged sphere and a positive point charge at its center. Participants clarify that, despite the center being a positive charge, its negligible volume allows for the application of the superposition principle effectively. Ultimately, the conclusion is reached that the scenarios described do not differ significantly in terms of electric field calculations. The discussion resolves the initial confusion about the validity of the superposition principle in this context.
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An early model for an atom considered it to have a positively charged points nucleus of charge Ze, surrounded by a uniform density if negative charge up to radius R. The atom as a whole is neutrality. For this model, what is the Electric field at a distance r from the nucleus
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This is a discussion for (r<R).

Assuming a gaussian surface at x=r from the center we get

$$E(r) = \frac{Ze} {4π\epsilon_0} ( \frac{1} {r²} - \frac{r} {R^3} )$$

However we get the same result if we consider a wholly negatively charged solid sphere and find the field at a distance r inside the sphere and add it with the field due to a single point charge kept at the centre of such a sphere...

$$E(r)=E_{-ve sphere}+E_{+ve point charge}$$

How can we consider the field due to the whole negative sphere, isnt the middle albeit being a very small point charge positive instead of negative?

field due to a wholly negatively charged sphere + field due to a point positive charge≠ Field due to a negatively charged sphere with its midpoint being empty+ field due to a point charge

Is this just an approximation? Or do I not know how to apply the superposition principle. Please consider helping out
 
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What's the problem with your calculation? ##E(r)## is positive for ##r < R## as you have calculated it.
 
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PeroK said:
What's the problem with your calculation? ##E(r)## is positive for ##r < R## as you have calculated it.
Thats not the problem. The problem is that it matches the field of a wholly negatively charged sphere and a positive point charge on it. But in this case it isnt a wholly negative charged sphere the mid point has a positive charge. So how can it be considered?

Thats how we apply superposition principle right?

We consider the fields due to both the distributions

So field due to a wholly negatively charged sphere + field due to a point positive charge≠ Field due to a negatively charged sphere with its midpoint being empty+ field due to a point charge
 
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Thats not the problem. The problem is that it matches the field of a wholly negatively charged sphere and a positive point charge on it. But in this case it isnt a wholly negative charged sphere the mid point has a positive charge. So how can it be considered?

Thats how we apply superposition principle right?

We consider the fields due to both the distributions

So field due to a wholly negatively charged sphere + field due to a point positive charge≠ Field due to a negatively charged sphere with its midpoint being empty+ field due to a point charge
I don't understand this. It matches a positively charged solid sphere.
 
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The center of the sphere has zero volume so there is no effective difference between the scenarios you describe.
 
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Orodruin said:
The center of the sphere has zero volume so there is no effective difference between the scenarios you describe.
Oh. That makes sense now. Thankyou so much.
 
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