Why is the wave equation different from the heat equation

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the wave equation and the heat equation, focusing on their mathematical forms and physical interpretations. Participants explore the implications of these differences in terms of behavior and underlying principles, considering both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the wave equation describes acceleration proportional to the height of neighboring points, while the heat equation describes change in temperature or concentration as an average of neighbors.
  • Another participant suggests that the inertia of a mass on a spring allows it to overshoot its equilibrium position, contrasting this with the behavior of heat flow, which stops when temperatures equalize.
  • There is a question raised about whether boundary conditions could explain the different behaviors of the wave and heat equations.
  • A participant points out that the equations differ in their mathematical structure, specifically the order of differentiation indicated by the subscripts.
  • One participant emphasizes that waves continue to propagate in a direction, while heat diffuses from hotter to colder regions, suggesting that these distinct physical phenomena warrant different equations.

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Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the differences between the wave and heat equations. There is no consensus on whether the differences stem from boundary conditions, the nature of the physical phenomena, or the mathematical structure of the equations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the physical systems and conditions under which the equations apply remain unaddressed. The discussion does not resolve the implications of sinusoidal inputs on the heat equation or how they might relate to wave behavior.

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I have been thinking about this. For a wave equation, the acceleration of a point on a drumhead is proportional to the height of its neighbors $$U_{tt}=\alpha^2\nabla^2U$$

The heat equation, change in concentration or temperature is equal to the average of its neighbors $$U_t=\alpha^2\nabla^2U$$

I was thinking its probably because the height of a point in the wave equation would need to keep going after it passes the average height of its neighbors, and then wobble back and forth. So even though it passes its neighbors it can still have a positive velocity and the acceleration will just flip signs.

But... why doesn't heat or concentration also do this? Why wouldn't the acceleration of change in temperature act more like a wave... or the velocity of a point on a drumhead just become 0 when its neighbors average is equal.

Do we not know, and the equations just model what we observe...or is there a reason?
 
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Compare the behavior of a hot object touching a cold object with the behavior of a mass attached to a stretched spring. Heat will flow from the hot object to the cold object until the temperatures are the same; but then the flow stops because no heat flows between objects at the same temperature. The mass on the spring behaves differently because once it starts moving inertia makes it want to keep on moving; so it overshoots stretching the spring in the other direction.
 
Nugatory said:
Compare the behavior of a hot object touching a cold object with the behavior of a mass attached to a stretched spring. Heat will flow from the hot object to the cold object until the temperatures are the same; but then the flow stops because no heat flows between objects at the same temperature. The mass on the spring behaves differently because once it starts moving inertia makes it want to keep on moving; so it overshoots stretching the spring in the other direction.

Why do they behave differently? Is it just because of boundary conditions? If you had a sinusoidal input on the heat equation should it then look like the wave equation?
 
fahraynk said:
Why do they behave differently? Is it just because of boundary conditions? If you had a sinusoidal input on the heat equation should it then look like the wave equation?
If you look at your equations they are not the same on the left hand side.
One will have a single differentiation to solve, the other a double, hence the subscript "t" or "tt".
 
They are different physical entities. A wave tends to continue traveling in whatever direction it is going. Heat tends to spread out or diffuse from hotter regions (i.e. regions containing more heat than the surroundings) to colder regions (containing less heat than the surroundings).

It shouldn't be surprising that these different behaviors are described by different equations.
 
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