Why is the work of a constant force conservative?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of conservative forces in physics, specifically focusing on why the work done by a constant force is considered conservative. Participants explore the definitions and characteristics of conservative forces, contrasting them with non-conservative forces like friction.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants attempt to define conservative forces and question the conditions under which a constant force can be considered conservative. Some raise examples of non-conservative forces, such as sliding friction and drag, to illustrate their points.

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The discussion is active, with various perspectives being explored regarding the nature of conservative and non-conservative forces. Some participants provide insights into the mathematical treatment of work done by constant forces, while others challenge assumptions about the constancy of certain forces.

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There are references to specific examples of forces that are not conservative, such as sliding friction and drag, which are used to question the generalization of constant forces being conservative. Participants also discuss the implications of direction and magnitude in defining force characteristics.

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Homework Statement



Why for a given constant force, in a study reference system, which point of application moves from A to B, the work of the force is conservative?

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The only thing I know is that if the angle ##(\vec{F},\vec{AB})## is acute ##W_{AB}## is an engine work else, its resilient.
 
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Some constant forces are not conservative, sliding friction, for example.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
Some constant forces are not conservative, sliding friction, for example.
Sliding friction is not a constant force. Its magnitude is constant but the direction is opposite to the velocity.
 
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ehild said:
Sliding friction is not a constant force. Its magnitude is constant but the direction is opposite to the velocity.

If the direction of the velocity is constant, then both the magnitude and direction of the sliding friction force vector are constant.

If the magnitude and direction of a vector are constant, then the vector is constant. Yet, friction is not conservative.

Another example is the drag force on a falling object that has reached terminal velocity in air. The drag force is constant, but it is not conservative.
 
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A function f(x) is not constant function, even in case x has a definite value. Friction depends on the direction of velocity. The work done between points A and B and back to B to A is not zero, because the velocity changes sign in the reverse path.
 
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AntoineCompagnie said:

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Why for a given constant force, in a study reference system, which point of application moves from A to B, the work of the force is conservative?
The force is conservative, when the the work of the force does not depend on the path between points A and B. Along a closed path, the work is zero. In case of constant force, if the work is positive while the point of application moves from A to B, it is negative when moving back to B to A. Look at the angles between force and displacements (the blue and green vectors in the figure).
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The workdone by a conservative force is independent of path. We find the work done by doing a line integral for all kind of force. So to check just take any constant force like ai + b j and integrate that with dl along any curve you want. You will see that you don't have to put the information of curve while solving the integration. Just the end points will solve it.
So mathematics tells that constant force doesn't depend on path.
And constant force means it doesn't depend on X,Y,Z
 

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