Why is there a moment generated by the 0.8NB force at Point A?

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The discussion revolves around the generation of moments at point A due to a force of 0.8NB, specifically addressing the distances and components involved in the calculations. The context includes technical reasoning related to mechanics and structural analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of including the moment generated by the 0.8NB force, suggesting that the distance used in calculations is not measured directly from point A.
  • Another participant corrects the distance from 0.4 m to 4 feet, indicating it is the vertical distance between points B and A, which is relevant for calculating moments.
  • There is a clarification that the structure in question is a frame, not a truss, which is significant for understanding the types of forces and moments involved.
  • One participant argues that the moment due to the horizontal component of NBx should not be considered about point A, as the perpendicular distance is measured from a different point.
  • Another participant asserts that the line of action of NBx is indeed at a perpendicular distance of 4 feet from point A, countering the previous claim.
  • A later reply explains that a force can be moved along its line of action without affecting the moment, emphasizing the importance of the perpendicular distance in torque calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the measurement of distances and the inclusion of certain moments in calculations. Multiple competing views remain on the interpretation of the forces and their contributions to the moment about point A.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of distances and the application of moments, particularly in distinguishing between forces acting on a frame versus a truss.

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Homework Statement


for the moment about A , why there 's moment generated by the forces of 0.8NB (circled part) ?

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I think it's not necessary to include the moment 0.8NB(4) because the d = 0.4m is not measured directly from point A ...it's measured from the red circled part ...
 

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1. It's not 0.4 m but 4 feet and it's the vertical distance between B and A
and that is multiplied with the horizontal component of NB
2. the 10 feet is the horizontal distance etc.
 
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btw, this is not a truss, but a frame. Trusses are designed only under tensile and compression forces, no bending moments
 
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sakonpure6 said:
btw, this is not a truss, but a frame. Trusses are designed only under tensile and compression forces, no bending moments
In the diagram attached below , we can see that the d (prepedicular distance) for NBy is measured directly from A , but for the NBx ( blue part) , it's measured directly from a point which is 10 m from A . So , for the moment 4NBx , it's not moment about A , am i right ? Why the author consider it in the calculation ?
 

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fonseh said:
So , for the moment 4NBx , it's not moment about A , am i right
No. The line of action of NBxis at a perpendicular distance of 4 feet from A
 
BvU said:
No. The line of action of NBxis at a perpendicular distance of 4 feet from A
why ?
 
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A force acts along a line of action. You can always move it along that line without changing anything.
Only when you move a force perpendicular to its line of action you have to add a torque.

To reassure yourself: calculate the perpendicular distance of the line of action of NB itself to the point A and compare with the total torque from x and y components.
 
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